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The truth about batteries.
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Strub1975
Newbie
I can tell you exactly where the Quality products have went and why. We as americans want it all. We want things and we want them cheap. with the internet we can shop golobaly and everyone doesn't think twice about finding the cheapest deal. that runs what used to be made here in America and quality products has went overseas because no one wants to pay the money for quality they just want the product and they want it cheap. Same goes for having things in your own town people complain about their town not having this or that but they drive elsewhere or get It offline because its cheaper then local stores close. before our local hobby shop closed I bought everything there even when they had to order it was it a little more expensive? sure but it helps them stay there for a place to get things now. since it closed I have to order everything or drive two hours and it sucks.
We have ran that stuff to inexistence because of wanting things cheap. and cheap comes at a cost and that cost is quality
wings_of_fire
Quarry Creeper
Walmart started this shit! They put into motion a snowball effect that is going to engulf peoples power. They have systematically put out of business the people who poured passion and dedication into their work.
The saddest part is the loss of those small businesses and the people associated with them that specialised in making their quality product.
WHITE-TRASH
I wanna be Dave
Not necessarily. Walmarts motto is "live better" and they allow people to do just that. Sure a lot of their products are made outside of the USA but the same goes for every single store you find in this country. Walmart receives a lot of hate simply because they are the biggest retailer for the same stuff as everyone else. They are also a non union company so there is a large amount of hatred for that as well.
Why should someone buy a $50 max amps battery when a $9 turnigy will do the exact same thing?
They are part of it, but really things took a bad turn when the US opened up trade with China in the 80's. Before then, Taiwan was the source for cheap crap and the only place you could buy Chinese stuff was Pier 1.
JokersWild
RCC Addict
Hobby king is local to me........ So I don't care.......
JesterSpec
RCC Addict
Thats a pretty funny statement about Boeing. The lowest bidder parts that are going to them are still a heck of a lot better than all of the average consumer products.
Boeing supplier certifications are no joke, ask me how I know.
wings_of_fire
Quarry Creeper
"Live better" is partly a false statement. Reason is, the 'live better' thing dies as soon as some cheaply made high profit product fails. Then one has to rebuy it shelling out more money + travelling expenses + mental harrasment which sums up to a fail concept. Probably a sucessfull concept for the elite and to keep the economy ticking, but definately a burden on common people and climate.
You agreed with the $9 Turnigy battery only after the battery has proven its worth to you. As a consumer, its gold if the product quality is good at the same time its retail price feels cheap. The same thing does not happen regarding all the cheap crap that is stuffed up in big marts. Even traders that import from china have their hands tied in many ways.
Because society is so dependent on collective efforts, everyone has to addapt to its flow. Have to accept wrong and one feels helpless against it.
Hate against walmart is there because they are shrude and they have walked over other businesses due to their size. Walmart does not have true control on quality of product other than a vague idea about it. They only know how much % profit we made behind so and so product and what are the days sales figure. It would be fair business, if walmart gave a quality gurantee on each and every product they sold. And by gurantee I don't mean a print on the product pakage and a marketing stunt, but a firm minimum 10 year gurantee. But on a huge scale and race to be big, companies like walmart just ram themselves to the front at the customers expenses.
The process of making quality products is slow and takes time be it any product. Its a method composed of failures and refinement which does demand time and dedication. Now is it really possible for maufacturers to complete this very much needed process when big retailers demand products NOW and at THIS price. The manufacturers are put under pressure to either bring the product within that time and at demanded price or face loss of market share and closure. In this type of situation, the manufacturers put constraints on designers which unltimately leads to poorly designed products which go into mass production. So those mass manufactured products with defects are an ultimate reflection of people in the management room who haven't moved a thing in the manufacturers shop but have the power to control them.
Money is the worst medium of shifting power. When power shifts from people who truely owe it to people who don't, wrong decisions come into effect and everyone is swept into its consiquences. It would be like me telling you how to drive a semi truck and punishing you for not driving as I told you to. Same thing, take the power of 'pricing' from the manufacturers and make the common man suffer its consiquences.
WHITE-TRASH
I wanna be Dave
Sam Walton attained the absolute American dream. Everyone hates those at the top unless they are the one in that position. :lol:
10 year guarantee on products? The biggest names in consumer goods don't do that and you somehow think Wal mart should do it? Never going to happen anywhere. Due to the global market we can walk into most any "big box" store and buy higher quality produce, meats, vegetables than ever before and at cheaper prices simply due to the company buying in bulk and yes, sometimes flexing their buying power muscles to negotiate a better price.
We can also get electronics and other consumer goods at much cheaper prices than even 10 years ago. I can remember wanting an original nintendo NES so badly but my parent's couldn't afford it. It was about $200 when it came out and that was big money back then, now the newer game systems can still be had for around $200 but the dollars are worth about half of what they used to so the products are much cheaper over all.
Being able to buy things that allow you be healthier and recreate in an improved manner than you have in the past are the very definition of living better. ;-)
If my $9 batteries go bad I'm out $9. If my $50 battery goes bad I'm out $50. I'll take my chances with $9 batteries and simply buy 5 of them so if one goes bad I still have 4 as backup instead of being out $50 and not having a battery. :lol:
10 year guarantee on products? The biggest names in consumer goods don't do that and you somehow think Wal mart should do it? Never going to happen anywhere. Due to the global market we can walk into most any "big box" store and buy higher quality produce, meats, vegetables than ever before and at cheaper prices simply due to the company buying in bulk and yes, sometimes flexing their buying power muscles to negotiate a better price.
We can also get electronics and other consumer goods at much cheaper prices than even 10 years ago. I can remember wanting an original nintendo NES so badly but my parent's couldn't afford it. It was about $200 when it came out and that was big money back then, now the newer game systems can still be had for around $200 but the dollars are worth about half of what they used to so the products are much cheaper over all.
Being able to buy things that allow you be healthier and recreate in an improved manner than you have in the past are the very definition of living better. ;-)
If my $9 batteries go bad I'm out $9. If my $50 battery goes bad I'm out $50. I'll take my chances with $9 batteries and simply buy 5 of them so if one goes bad I still have 4 as backup instead of being out $50 and not having a battery. :lol:
Randy Williams
Quarry Creeper
Came to learn "the truth about batteries"
Lost me. I can't see how Wal-Marts business practices would have any bearing on which battery I should think about buying or why.
I'm new to the hobbie and I work for Wal-Mart. I don't buy parts, batteries, or RC cars from there for this hobbie.
Unfortunately, this thread hasn't come close to helping me understand anything about batteries except, RC batteries aren't made in the US and cheap batteries can work.
Lost me. I can't see how Wal-Marts business practices would have any bearing on which battery I should think about buying or why.
I'm new to the hobbie and I work for Wal-Mart. I don't buy parts, batteries, or RC cars from there for this hobbie.
Unfortunately, this thread hasn't come close to helping me understand anything about batteries except, RC batteries aren't made in the US and cheap batteries can work.
wings_of_fire
Quarry Creeper
Sorry the thread derailed a bit. Please continue.
That's all there is to know.
WHITE-TRASH
I wanna be Dave
Yup it's a simple one to summarize. In 99% of cases what separates a cheap battery and a supposed top of the line battery is the packaging and price.
JokersWild
RCC Addict
So..... go to Walmart to get batteries....... Check! Lol
WHITE-TRASH
I wanna be Dave
Wade
Rock Crawler
Yep......There is supposedly only three manufacturing sites for lipo cell plates, all in china. So chances are that the lipo cells we get whether they are cheap or expensive most likely come from the same place. And yes the bigger names here repackage them and sell them at a higher price. Now quality control does weigh in on this. So if a 12 yr old is assembling my battery for a bowl of rice and it is only costing me $9...........then so be it lol.
Cheers,
Wade
fr8cture
I wanna be Dave
There is a handful of bigger cell makers and a lot of little vendors. The limitations are a balance of cell resistance and capacity, and there is no way to cheat it. Nano techs are the one type that uses nanotubes to replace some carbon black for a decrease in resistance without losing capacity. It's also the one factory that hobby king has a partial stake in.
I buy my personal packs in bulk from smaller factories, but refuse to get involved selling batts right now because of the marketing sham and high liabilities. It's hard to compete when I can't control or improve the process directly.
I buy my personal packs in bulk from smaller factories, but refuse to get involved selling batts right now because of the marketing sham and high liabilities. It's hard to compete when I can't control or improve the process directly.
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Wade
Rock Crawler
Well I heard that directly from the 12 yr old who assembled my batteries :shock:.
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