Warrior 35T vs Holmes Cobalt Puller

[Big_Ern]

Which one is better?

Warrior 35T or Holmes Cobalt Puller 10T, 7T, or 5T :?:

I've searched and searched, but unable to find a comparison of these 2 motors.

I'm looking for a motor that will give me gobs of toque, but still tons of wheel speed and be smooth for crawling. From the research I've done, both of these say they will do that, but obviously one of them must be better than the other as no 2 things are the same....


I've read about all sorts of hype on the Cobalt 10T and its preorder, but I refuse to get caught up on all sorts of internet hype on the newest best thing before its proven :roll: I want real world experience.



As of now I am leaning towards getting a Warrior as a good buddy of mine (miller on here) just got a Cobalt 7T and we will give them a head to head side by side testing by swapping each other's motors into each other's RCs. I'd just hate to be the one who ended up with the worse of the two motors and have 'wasted' my money on the warrior and want to be upgrading to a Cobalt (I know its not really a "waste" as I'm sure the Warrior is a great motor, I just want the best one)

 

[simon170]

I would have thought that the 35t would be much better as iys designed for crawling and gives good wheel speed according to people using it. The lower turn motors would give massive speed, but no the bottom end you need I think.

 

[Big_Ern]

But every review on the 5, 7 or 10T Cobalt that I have read says they have gobs of low end torque as well as massive speed.


This is all internet heresay though. I read this, I read that, blah blah, I would like some real world experience if anyone has any....

No offense meant to you Simon I'd just like to cut the BS out and get some realworld opinions.

i don't expect anyone to have tested both motors in their RC, but someone's gotta have done a head to head comparison against a friend's RC with the other motor....


Perhaps no one has any direct experience with both these motors and the vendors would like to send me a "testing" motor for my test against the other to prove that their's is the best motor, or maybe they're both scared to go head to head against the other?

 

[Kamikaze]

No one is scared to go head to head, the cobalt puller is way slower, way faster and way stronger than the 35t warrior. They don't get compared by turn size cause they are 2 totaly different types of brushed motor. The warrior is just another 540 can 3 pole motor with regular magnets, it makes regular torque. The cobalt puller is a 7 pole motor with cobalt magnets, this gives it a very slow speed but also a very high top speed and the magnets strength gives it way more torque. THe fact that it is 7 turn or 10 turn doesn't mean jack. Also if you don't know what you are talking about don't give out advice.

 

[THnCS]

I saw them both in action at our last Scaler comp. I do not own either but seen them in two different rigs. IF the price's are close, Holmes motor hands down!!! I could not beleive how smooth and powerful that motor is!! If I had the cash, I would have a Cobalt in my Scaler in a heartbeat!!! What is said about how it creeps along and then will sling mud with the best of them.

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

The Cobalt 10t is on preorder because I ran out. There is no hype about it, I have sold about 100 of them with only one person unsatisfied. We are still working to figure out what is up with the motor or setup.

I cannot make a true comparison because I don't have a warrior 35t to compare with, but Kami has outlined the major differences between them. The Cobalt Puller is like a 550 can in length, so it is a bit longer than a normal 540 motor.

 

[Grizzly4x4]

No hype, no internet heresay. The Cobalt Puller is all that and a bag of chips.
Simon, you can't discount the Cobalt because of the number of turns, this is a completely different motor design than the "standard" motor.
The Cobalt is designed by JRH to be a crawling motor, a "lathe" motor is designed to run a comm lathe and it just happens to work well in a crawler.

I own a 10T Cobalt and many flavors of "lathe" motors. A 10T is just as smooth at a crawl as a 55T, it has the speed of a 27T (approximately), and it's got the torque of both motors combined. The "off idle" punch of a Cobalt is unbelievable.

I have not tried the 5T or 7T but I do believe that the 10T is the best crawling motor available.

Check out this video. The camo Blazer is my daughter's trail rig and it's running a 10T Cobalt Puller, 9 cell 2/3A battery, Stampede transmission with 14/87 gearing, and TLT axles. Watch the truck pulling segments and notice the torque and wheelspeed. A lathe motor can't match the power and speed but the Cobalt also offers butter smooth throttle control.

Google Video.....

YouTube Video....

That being said, it would be interesting to see a Warrior 35T go head to head. I've never seen one run.

 

[Big_Ern]

I saw them both in action at our last Scaler comp. I do not own either but seen them in two different rigs. IF the price's are close, Holmes motor hands down!!! I could not beleive how smooth and powerful that motor is!! If I had the cash, I would have a Cobalt in my Scaler in a heartbeat!!! What is said about how it creeps along and then will sling mud with the best of them.

That's the kind of info I'm looking for - someone who has seen both motors in action. Thanks.

The Cobalt 10t is on preorder because I ran out. There is no hype about it, I have sold about 100 of them with only one person unsatisfied. We are still working to figure out what is up with the motor or setup.

No offense meant to your products by saying "internet heresay" John. I have just seen so much BS around this kind of thing for new products in the 1:1 rock crawling world turn out bad, that I just wanted to make sure this wasn't going to be the case with your 10T.

Be expecting an order from me soon John"thumbsup"

Now I just need to decide between 5, 7 and 10T. Any suggestions? or can you explain the real world differences between them? ex: does the 10T have more torque and a bit less wheel speed than the 5 & 7s? Why would I want to chose one over the other?

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

I would also like to note that the Cobalt Puller is twice as much as a handwound 540 motor like the Warrior. The difference in construction brings a cost difference too.

 

[Big_Ern]

I realize that you usually get what you pay for. That's why I have no problem spending the extra money on one of you motors John.

Now which one should I get? What makes the 10T a better choice than the 5 or 7T?

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

The 10t has more torque per amp as compared to the other turns. As for the motors, they all produce the same amount of power but at a differenct voltage and amperage. The 10t runs coolest and slowest, the 5t is best for comp rigs IMO. I use 10t or 7t motors in my basher/scale rigs and a 5t in my comp rig.

I am restocking the 10t first, the shipment should arrive today. The final machining will take a few more days and then they will ship out, hopefully by the weekend.

 

[Big_Ern]

What's the eta on the 5T? Sounds like that's the one I want to get. They all sounds great, I'm just trying to decide if I should order a 10T now, or wait for the 5T...

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

I will get the 5t next, probably 2 weeks out.

 

[Big_Ern]

Thanks. That will fit into the time line of my next build perfectly. Will there be any pre-order for the 5Ts like there is for the 10T now?

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

I could make one

 

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

I run a 5t cobalt from HH. If you want the most power, wheel speed & crawlability, this is the motor for you.


























































just be prepared to break shit every time out. It's fun!!!!!

 

[simon170]

Simon, you can't discount the Cobalt because of the number of turns, this is a completely different motor design than the "standard" motor.
The Cobalt is designed by JRH to be a crawling motor, a "lathe" motor is designed to run a comm lathe and it just happens to work well in a crawler.

I own a 10T Cobalt and many flavors of "lathe" motors. A 10T is just as smooth at a crawl as a 55T, it has the speed of a 27T (approximately), and it's got the torque of both motors combined. The "off idle" punch of a Cobalt is unbelievable.

Hey Grizzly, thats interesting I didnt know that, these motors sound amazing!
In my defence, I did say "I would have thought..." as I was going with conventional wisdom of less turns = more speed and didnt say it was cold hard fact. But hey, that seems not to be the case and I have learned something new about motors today

Whats bettery life like with these bad-boy Cobalt motors? They sound interesting...

EDIT: Just clicked the vid, funnily enough I happend to come across it the other day while browsing Youtube. Sick ride.

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

Runtime is based on power you use. If your wheelspeed is the same and you don't throttle out of tighter binds there will no difference. I crawled with my scaler for 45min the other day and used 700mah with the 10t cobalt.

 

[Grizzly4x4]

Hey Grizzly, thats interesting I didnt know that, these motors sound amazing!
In my defence, I did say "I would have thought..." as I was going with conventional wisdom of less turns = more speed and didnt say it was cold hard fact. But hey, that seems not to be the case and I have learned something new about motors today

Whats bettery life like with these bad-boy Cobalt motors? They sound interesting...

EDIT: Just clicked the vid, funnily enough I happend to come across it the other day while browsing Youtube. Sick ride.

S'cool. I wasn't trying to bust yer balls, just letting you know because that's a common mistake made by people who don't understand the difference in the Cobalt motor design.
The idea of less turns equals more speed still holds true with the Cobalt, it's just on a different scale. "thumbsup"

I have seen Jason run a 5T Cobalt at a crawling comp on 11.1V LiPo, let's just say the wheelspeed was unbelievable....but it still crawled nice and slow with total control. It did get hot pretty quick though.

I have not timed my battery life but it seems to be on par with my 55T powered comp rig. About an hour on 1500 mAh 2/3A Elite cells. That's if you can keep from driving around with the throttle pegged. :lol::lol:

 

[simon170]

Thats impressive, liking the sound of these. Just wanted to check as I only run 3300mah six-cell batteries.