wheelbase mesurement rule 6.4

[yotachump]

Why did the way we tech WB need to change? why make things more complicated..People are going to cheat for sure now by tightening up there springs for sure.

By compressing your truck all the way down and letting it go is not the proper way to do it in my opinion. when it rebounds it is not just under its own weight, the motor is keeping it from rebounding all the way up. so I guess ill have to pull my pinions out so motor does not hold your truck down to make me pass.


Looks like im out $2500 for the 500 lower links I just got made....im sure im not the only vendor :roll:

 

[travis c.]

Just take the spacers off your Chump Sticks B4 you sell them!

 

[yotachump]

Just take the spacers off your Chump Sticks B4 you sell them!

They don't come with spacers.

 

[travis c.]

I know! That was a joke, remember, Yota, are those spacers?:shock::shock:

 

[gunnar]

I'll take a pair of those illegal links!

 

[travis c.]

U already have 7075 illegal links."thumbsup"

 

[53 willys]

I think tech sleds or maybe even compressing the suspension by hand and measuring at full compression is the only way to stop the easy cheats???
if the rule is that the WB NEVER exceeds 12.5" I would think the best way to write it would be measure the wb with the suspension fully compressed...then no matter how you set your rig up it will never exceed the 12.5" rule???

 

[Fishmaxx]

Why did the way we tech WB need to change? why make things more complicate.

What was the OFFICIAL method of tech before?

The answer is there wasn't one.

I have been to almost every major comp the was over the last 3 years, had my truck teched at least 4x diffrent ways.

I think tech sleds or maybe even compressing the suspension by hand and measuring at full compression is the only way to stop the easy cheats???
if the rule is that the WB NEVER exceeds 12.5" I would think the best way to write it would be measure the wb with the suspension fully compressed...then no matter how you set your rig up it will never exceed the 12.5" rule???

That was an option considered, but we felt that method was too radical in that the truck was not holding it weight at the time of measurement. The tech procedure now outlined in rules is better because it stops the trucks that the only time the are 12.5 after being gently placed on the table, and the vehicle is still holding its weight at the time of tech.

 

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

I think tech sleds or maybe even compressing the suspension by hand and measuring at full compression is the only way to stop the easy cheats???
if the rule is that the WB NEVER exceeds 12.5" I would think the best way to write it would be measure the wb with the suspension fully compressed...then no matter how you set your rig up it will never exceed the 12.5" rule???

Yep. That was talked about in the RC too. I my self liked that way. OR We could have had you hold it on the belly and set it down real easy so the motors would hold it up and get the wheelbase measurment that way, so hen you dig it could streach out.

The way we wrote it now is middle of the road on how to do it.

 

[1beatjeep]

I dont think the rule should be done this way because how often is you suspension going to be at fully compresed as your running a course it mite only happen when you are digging so your wheelbase is going to be shorter then 12.5 just driving so your climbing ability is not going to be as good.

 

[roksloski]

I also think the Tech rule is BS...

the most simple way to tech would have been.... Static ride height"thumbsup"...12 1/2 or under and your good to go..........

sound like to me all the shafty guys are complaining and you rule witers are trying to even the playing field....:shock:

i like to set my wheel base at 12 7/16 static., and yes when digging and it compresses it will grow about 3/16- 1/4"..... so what!!

but at tech set on a table static ride hight its where it should be...

 

[oldhippie]

The rule was put into place to do 1 thing. Make teching the WB a standard across the country. I have seen so many ways it has been measured. This way a driver, no matter what event, knows what to expect.[/QUOTE]

EXACTLY! All the crying about the wheelbase "growing" over 12.5 is just that. Everyone can set their rig per the rules. It isn't cheating to have a rig with a wheelbase over 12.5 at other than ride height checked per the rule! Do you guys really think you are getting beat because a rig "grows"? Get Over It! :roll:

 

[roksloski]

And I'll say it again.......the most simple way to tech would have been.... Static ride height"thumbsup"

 

[dpdsurf]

Though I myself experienced different methods of WB tech by various clubs, they were doing it wrong and IMO the rules backed it up by simply saying "supported by its own weight". How the hell people interpreted that into pushing on the vehicle, putting it on its side or dropping it from 4' +- is astounding to me :shock:. It is also my opinion that Anthony manufactured his links based on the correct interpretation of the 2009 rules.

Though I prefer the setting down and checking method myself, the rules needed further detail to prevent these rediculous made up methods of teching and I think it is much more clear now.

 

[TattooKenny]

I don't have a prob with this rule but I do have a question. A lot of us have a WB jig set at 12 1/2" that we mount our axles in and build our rigs and links from there. How do you do that now? Do we need to change our jigs to 12" so we know were good now? And winching down is legal still what about that? Does the guy winching down have to winch all the way down at tech to make sure he isn't over 12 1/2"?

 

[JPH Racing]

Everyone brought up interesting points ...

What's interesting, is the why of it all. What's the intent of the new rule? Is it to level the playing field (like NASCAR does)? Or is it simply to set a standard for how tech should be done?

If it's a NASCAR kinda thing, then (personal opinion here) a rigs wheelbase should be no longer than 12.5" ANYWHERE in it's travel range. Bergs should not be allowed to have the grow factor advantage. Simple. BUT, once a sanctioning body start "leveling the playing field" it can really become a nightmare ....

If the new rule is meant to standardize the way tech is handled, then it's really a simple ruling and everyone should just get over it and move on.

Berg owners can adjust their rigs (simply by cutting some nylon off the ball ends) and once it's done, it's done.

I'm gonna use Anthony as an example here, but only because he posted, in no way am I picking on him or bashing him or his company .... When Anthony releases a new chassis, or new links, or any new parts, his team has no problem tearing their rigs apart, making the needed changes, setting them up per the rules and then heading out to dominate the comps. Drivers are always willing to put in the work when there might be an advantage, but there seems to be a lot of complaining about doing the same work now? Just a thought ...

All in all, the new rule shouldn't be THAT hard to set-up for and once it's done, you're done.

For the NBRCC Crew, the big question will be, do we adopt it for the January comp, or the Febuary comp? Meeting on the 7th!

 

[joesbruiser]

I am pretty sure it was to set a standard to tech by.

And it will by no means level the playing field.Guys will still be able to run a truck that stretches way past 12.5.

 

[team3six]

Im sorry and even though I wont be comping Rock crawlers anymore. I think its great that the rules committee worked hard to getting a resolve for issues in the past and make the rules so they would be uniform.

In the other respect. Someone should of looked at the affect of production parts for vendors where as some of the rules might hurt the pocketbook.

I'm sure its something that can easily be rectified. But never the less one should always take into consideration the cause and effect of a rule and the outcome it will have to the guys who help sponsor drivers and competitions.

This isn't a gripe or a flame war. just offering my opinion. I realize its hard to work rules to the point of avoiding future situations. But like the saying goes, if there is a rule, there is always someone that will find away to cheat it.

Good luck guys

 

[Fishmaxx]

sound like to me all the shafty guys are complaining and you rule witers are trying to even the playing field....:shock:

WRONG! It wasn't even mention, and 0% to do with method chosen

And I'll say it again.......the most simple way to tech would have been.... Static ride height

Can you tell me where I can find the definition "Static ride height", or are you just making one up that fits your preference?

Or is it simply to set a standard for how tech should be done?

100% to standardize tech procedure from event to event.

The were 3 sides to this debate.

1) There was the truck shouldn't go over anytime during the suspension cycle group.

2) There was the let me carefully place my truck on the table group.

3) I just want everybody to tech the same group.

For everyone in Group 2 there was at least one in Group 1

The majority had mixed feelings, and was more interested in everyone doing the same, so we COMPROMISED "thumbsup" It still follows what the rules actually said, but keep the extnding wheel base during a dig in check.

 

[JPH Racing]

I don't have a prob with this rule but I do have a question. A lot of us have a WB jig set at 12 1/2" that we mount our axles in and build our rigs and links from there. How do you do that now? Do we need to change our jigs to 12" so we know were good now? And winching down is legal still what about that? Does the guy winching down have to winch all the way down at tech to make sure he isn't over 12 1/2"?

VERY interesting point!