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drkros3 · 11-30-2007, 01:35 AM

hey guys. i got a ax-10 yesterday and i got it running today. its currently running the integy 55t motor with a mamba esc. and i have a novak brushless setup. but i have not opened it out of the box yet. im was still debating if i should go brushless or keep it brushed and go with a novak rooster crawler esc. (the mamba was from my revo so i needs to go back)

what do you guys think i should do. i have ran it with the brushed setup and its really nice. i like it a lot and my run times are really long. im running a 2 cell 3200mah pack by orion.

so

brushed

or

brushless

and what are the differences of the 2 besides the no resistence in brushless and there esc being lipo safe.

JUSTGOINGSLOW · 11-30-2007, 05:16 AM

I went brushless for the first time on my ax-10. I got a skyone L38 esc with a BM9 brushless from the craeler store and I love it I will never go back to brushed

. I wish I would of did this when I was running 4wd offroad

clemet · 11-30-2007, 06:10 AM

If you search this topic has been beaten to death recently. With a brushed motor you will get better low end throttle control. I have a plain 55t Integy with a 8 cell pack and it has plenty of wheelspeed and a bunch of torque. I have run both brushed and brushless and will never go back to brushless.

binaryterror · 11-30-2007, 06:50 AM

Everything has its place and even the best drivers here like brushless for gtg and fun comps, but they all seem to jump back to brushed motors in important comps.

As much as I personally hate brushed in 1/10th and mini racing, I think a 55T is a better choice than a brushless for crawling...

JohnRobHolmes · 11-30-2007, 06:57 AM

The novak setup acts different from an outrunner setup. Can't go wrong with it, but if you wanted to stay with a brushed motor you could just increase your voltage to get more power and wheelspeed. Outrunners have their place too, great for no maintenance running.

KING BLING · 11-30-2007, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clemet

If you search this topic has been beaten to death recently. With a brushed motor you will get better low end throttle control. I have a plain 55t Integy with a 8 cell pack and it has plenty of wheelspeed and a bunch of torque. I have run both brushed and brushless and will never go back to brushless.

Quote:

Originally Posted by binaryterror

Everything has its place and even the best drivers here like brushless for gtg and fun comps, but they all seem to jump back to brushed motors in important comps.

As much as I personally hate brushed in 1/10th and mini racing, I think a 55T is a better choice than a brushless for crawling...

i agree. i have run brushless in all my crawler rigs and they are now converted back to brushed motors. All of my race rigs and boats are all brushless however.
Also i wouldnt recommend the new rooster. they have severe glitching problems and it needs to be addressed by novak again.
mamba max!!

JohnRobHolmes · 11-30-2007, 09:57 AM

I have gone back to brushed for my comp rigs too, but every other vehicle has a brushless motor pretty much. I'm not too keen on keeping up with motor maintenance for a daily driver, and the comp rig only sees 10 minutes of driving every month or so. Works out perfect!

fathead · 11-30-2007, 11:04 AM

I just recently went back to brushed motors. After running my brushless through 6 packs I just could not handle the cogging that it produces. I have never had any problems w/brushed motors, you only need to wash them about every 6 months, and change the brushes and I always use purple trinity springs on my lathe motors for better brush tension. But I too love the throttle control of a brushed motor at low r.p.m's

Kamikaze · 11-30-2007, 02:17 PM

I went brushless and I hated it, then I went back to brushed. Then I found the quark 33 esc. Brushless with that is awsome for a shafty. I love it. Way more controlable than brushed and way smoother.

JohnRobHolmes · 11-30-2007, 02:24 PM

With the right motor, gearing, and voltage the quark ESCs make a supurb combo.

Kamikaze · 11-30-2007, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnRobHolmes

With the right motor, gearing, and voltage the quark ESCs make a supurb combo.

Yep, a 3 cell lipo or a 8 cell pack with a bm-16 or a crawlmaster works like magic with a quark.

EeePee · 11-30-2007, 03:37 PM

I'll throw my 2 cents in here real quick too, because I'm bored enough to type some.

I too have gone back and forth with brushed and brushless set ups. Going very slow with a brushless motor isn't as smooth as a good brushed set up. But anything off of the super slow stuff, I prefer brushless. Once the can is spinning, it will keep spinning until something gets bound up and breaks. Let's say just off no throttle input at all. With low gearing, it can be slow, but not VERY SUPER slow. Then go back to brushed and it's like WOW, I can drive this thing super smoothly and count each lug as they go by! Which is great. So maybe I prefer brushed.

But then there's the power of the typical 55 turn brushed motor. It's just lacking the extra power the brushless stuff has.

And then the big one for me lately is the weight. In my comp rig at the moment sits a little Mamba 25 and TCS BM-9 and a 2 cell 1320 Lipo. Nothing fancy at all, nothing touted as super smooth either, though it's pretty good. I've tweaked the Mamba software so I feel it's working it's best. Took it to it's first comp and won. I think the reason it worked so well was the weight of the truck. Without my heavy wheels it weighs only 3 pounds and 10.6 ounces (just weighed it today). That makes start ups much easier. And it's quite smooth.

And now I'm bored typing...

Mike Poulson · 11-30-2007, 07:03 PM

I too like the size and weight of the brushless stuff.
I run an Axi 2212, mamba 25, 2cell 1320 lipo.
Weight without tires is 2lbs. 8oz.

I have a brushed 50t 400 size 5 pole cobalt motor but I really dislike the size of the speed control's and trying to manage the wires.

Here is a picture of all the electronics installed. It is simple and easy to work on.
Mike

11-30-2007, 01:35 AM	#1
drkros3 Newbie Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: chino hills Posts: 7	brushed or brushless hey guys. i got a ax-10 yesterday and i got it running today. its currently running the integy 55t motor with a mamba esc. and i have a novak brushless setup. but i have not opened it out of the box yet. im was still debating if i should go brushless or keep it brushed and go with a novak rooster crawler esc. (the mamba was from my revo so i needs to go back) what do you guys think i should do. i have ran it with the brushed setup and its really nice. i like it a lot and my run times are really long. im running a 2 cell 3200mah pack by orion. so brushed or brushless and what are the differences of the 2 besides the no resistence in brushless and there esc being lipo safe.

11-30-2007, 07:03 PM	#13
Mike Poulson Quarry Creeper Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: SLC Posts: 382	I too like the size and weight of the brushless stuff. I run an Axi 2212, mamba 25, 2cell 1320 lipo. Weight without tires is 2lbs. 8oz. I have a brushed 50t 400 size 5 pole cobalt motor but I really dislike the size of the speed control's and trying to manage the wires. Here is a picture of all the electronics installed. It is simple and easy to work on. Mike Attached Images

11-30-2007, 05:16 AM	#2
JUSTGOINGSLOW RCC Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Commerce Twp. Posts: 1,773	I went brushless for the first time on my ax-10. I got a skyone L38 esc with a BM9 brushless from the craeler store and I love it I will never go back to brushed . I wish I would of did this when I was running 4wd offroad

11-30-2007, 06:10 AM	#3
clemet Pebble Pounder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 124	If you search this topic has been beaten to death recently. With a brushed motor you will get better low end throttle control. I have a plain 55t Integy with a 8 cell pack and it has plenty of wheelspeed and a bunch of torque. I have run both brushed and brushless and will never go back to brushless.

11-30-2007, 06:50 AM	#4
binaryterror I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Detroit Posts: 3,583	Everything has its place and even the best drivers here like brushless for gtg and fun comps, but they all seem to jump back to brushed motors in important comps. As much as I personally hate brushed in 1/10th and mini racing, I think a 55T is a better choice than a brushless for crawling...

11-30-2007, 06:57 AM	#5
JohnRobHolmes owner, Holmes Hobbies LLC Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Volt up! Gear down! Posts: 20,290	The novak setup acts different from an outrunner setup. Can't go wrong with it, but if you wanted to stay with a brushed motor you could just increase your voltage to get more power and wheelspeed. Outrunners have their place too, great for no maintenance running.

11-30-2007, 09:57 AM	#7
JohnRobHolmes owner, Holmes Hobbies LLC Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Volt up! Gear down! Posts: 20,290	I have gone back to brushed for my comp rigs too, but every other vehicle has a brushless motor pretty much. I'm not too keen on keeping up with motor maintenance for a daily driver, and the comp rig only sees 10 minutes of driving every month or so. Works out perfect!

11-30-2007, 11:04 AM	#8
fathead Quarry Creeper Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: lehi, Ut. Posts: 384	I just recently went back to brushed motors. After running my brushless through 6 packs I just could not handle the cogging that it produces. I have never had any problems w/brushed motors, you only need to wash them about every 6 months, and change the brushes and I always use purple trinity springs on my lathe motors for better brush tension. But I too love the throttle control of a brushed motor at low r.p.m's

11-30-2007, 02:17 PM	#9
Kamikaze I wanna be Dave Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Columbia TN Posts: 6,154	I went brushless and I hated it, then I went back to brushed. Then I found the quark 33 esc. Brushless with that is awsome for a shafty. I love it. Way more controlable than brushed and way smoother.

11-30-2007, 02:24 PM	#10
JohnRobHolmes owner, Holmes Hobbies LLC Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Volt up! Gear down! Posts: 20,290	With the right motor, gearing, and voltage the quark ESCs make a supurb combo.

11-30-2007, 03:37 PM	#12
EeePee MODERATOR™ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 18,928	I'll throw my 2 cents in here real quick too, because I'm bored enough to type some. I too have gone back and forth with brushed and brushless set ups. Going very slow with a brushless motor isn't as smooth as a good brushed set up. But anything off of the super slow stuff, I prefer brushless. Once the can is spinning, it will keep spinning until something gets bound up and breaks. Let's say just off no throttle input at all. With low gearing, it can be slow, but not VERY SUPER slow. Then go back to brushed and it's like WOW, I can drive this thing super smoothly and count each lug as they go by! Which is great. So maybe I prefer brushed. But then there's the power of the typical 55 turn brushed motor. It's just lacking the extra power the brushless stuff has. And then the big one for me lately is the weight. In my comp rig at the moment sits a little Mamba 25 and TCS BM-9 and a 2 cell 1320 Lipo. Nothing fancy at all, nothing touted as super smooth either, though it's pretty good. I've tweaked the Mamba software so I feel it's working it's best. Took it to it's first comp and won. I think the reason it worked so well was the weight of the truck. Without my heavy wheels it weighs only 3 pounds and 10.6 ounces (just weighed it today). That makes start ups much easier. And it's quite smooth. And now I'm bored typing...

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