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Old 12-21-2015, 03:13 PM   #1
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I have a scx10 I like the slow rock crawling, but I find myself doi bg more of the hill climb, I'm looking for somthing that can slow crawl and have a decent high speed ,I somtimes run in light Mudd but nothing to heavy, will the brushed have the up hill power of the roc 412? What's better for the formula off road type? I have a castle creations motor and ESC in another vehicle, how would that compare to the roc 412?
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Old 12-21-2015, 04:35 PM   #2
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If you are going to be running in mud you would be better off buying cheap motor that is disposable instead of an expensive ROC412.

HH Trailmaster motors are great for the mud.
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Old 12-21-2015, 05:01 PM   #3
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I don't do to much mudding,mostly hill climb and I like to run 3s, so I'm stuck between the two,can anyone tell me if the castle creations system works well in crawlers?
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Old 12-21-2015, 07:07 PM   #4
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Are you asking if a non sensored brushless system will work? If its geared correctly it will not cog AS bad.

I have a roc412 and a castle mmp in my wraith and it scoots...real nice. But it doesent get wet...

If you want a mud runner look at a cheaper and waterproof hobbywing system.
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Old 12-21-2015, 09:39 PM   #5
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I don't do to much mudding,mostly hill climb and I like to run 3s, so I'm stuck between the two,can anyone tell me if the castle creations system works well in crawlers?
If you are wanting speed, then I would go with the ROC412. Being sensorted, it is smooth at crawling speeds. It has a lot of power and will break parts so you will have some upgrading to do with it.

A Holmes Hobbies Crawl Master 13T is another good alternative. It has pretty good top end speed and is really smooth crawling. It's going to be cheaper than a ROC412 and you don't need a brushless ESC to run it.

The Castle motors are great for top end speed but since they are not sensored they will tend to cog at crawler speeds.

If you are going to get it wet use a cheap throw away motor.
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Old 12-21-2015, 09:58 PM   #6
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I have a roc412 3100kv in my wraith and a HH crawlmaster 11t in my Wroncho.

Hands down go with the roc412. Way more power. Smooth power band. There's numerous videos on YouTube on how to waterproof it. They are not cheap though.
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Old 12-22-2015, 10:34 AM   #7
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Another vote on the 412. Water proofing the sensor is easy and its sealed better then a brushed motor anyday. You cant go wrong best of everything.
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Old 12-22-2015, 11:09 PM   #8
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Thanks guys,I was noticing my sidewinder 3 is water proof and also has a crawler setting so I was wonder about that option and if they were any good I have one in my vaterra and was beginning to get curious lol
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Old 12-23-2015, 05:20 AM   #9
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Can't ignore all the people running brushed setups in crawlers, pretty sure there's a reason for that. Sounds though you have your mind set on brushless. So I will add this to the discussion. You will need a sensored combo with drag brake to have an effective crawler anything less is a rock racer.

Then there is this straight from Castle about the Sidewinder 3
*We recommend using a BRUSHED motor for rock crawlers (vehicles traveling 3-5mph.) Brushless motors are fine for use with rock racing. If your vehicle is going to be in a bound up situation, very slowly traversing rocks and obstacles, you are running a rock crawler. If you are constantly traveling at 5mph or higher, you have a rock racer.

A good 35T on 3s geared properly will give you plenty of wheel speed for hill climbs (whatever) and still have the control and torque for crawling.
Personally I use a 27t on 2s geared for my trucks and prefer it over the 35t motors.

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Old 12-23-2015, 03:20 PM   #10
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After running a HH Brushless setup, I'm a convert to the brushless side. There's not much I miss about a brushed setup when crawling. For me, a 30t motor on 3s just didn't have enough wheelspeed when geared "properly".
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Old 12-23-2015, 05:28 PM   #11
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for hill climbs I vote brushless all the way , I have a roc412 in a wroncho and I have a sct castle setup in a wroncho . both do very for there purpose .one is an all around mud truck hill climb do it all and the other doesn't like mud or water . But the castle truck is geared down with a 10t pinion and a 58t spur
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