Wraith Steel Tranny Gears?

[alexchen86]

I was on CKRC in the Wraith hop ups section...they are selling metal AX10 tranny gears for the Wraith tranny.

Does this mean that Robinson hardened steel gears fit in the Wraith tranny as well?

What parts would I need to order? Or is the Wraith tranny the same thing as a standard Axial AX10/SCX10 tranny?

Thanks!

[DiEzel]

Originally Posted by alexchen86

Or is the Wraith tranny the same thing as a standard Axial AX10/SCX10 tranny?

Thanks!

Answered your own question! Only the case is different. And with that, i will add the outputs seem like they will hold up just fine. I grabbed a set of HR Hardened Steel gears with great luck so far.

Ray.

[strap624]

isn't one of the output shafts longer on the wraith though?

[ROLANDROCKSHOP]

my steel gears should be here today..
ill snap some pics for ya.

[DiEzel]

Originally Posted by strap624

isn't one of the output shafts longer on the wraith though?

Can switch case's to AX10 and use AX10 outputs from what i've gathered, But yes. The dig lockout shaft is pretty long - but it looks to have plenty of support and looks strong enough.

Ray.

[suzuki]

Originally Posted by strap624

isn't one of the output shafts longer on the wraith though?

yes.. but that dosen`t mather

here is the parts:
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXWTN3&P=ML

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXWTN2&P=Z

[Harley]

Originally Posted by DiEzel

Can switch case's to AX10 and use AX10 outputs from what i've gathered, But yes. The dig lockout shaft is pretty long - but it looks to have plenty of support and looks strong enough.

Ray.

Just as long as you don't get a one piece final gear you're fine. Also switching to an AX10 case will give you rear driveshaft issues, clearance on the skid plate and length.

Originally Posted by suzuki

yes.. but that dosen`t mather

here is the parts:
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXWTN3&P=ML

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXWTN2&P=Z

It does matter when talking about the final gear, as some are one piece.

I am running that final gear but it is aluminum, there are steel options available.

[DiEzel]

Originally Posted by Harley

Just as long as you don't get a one piece final gear you're fine. Also switching to an AX10 case will give you rear driveshaft issues, clearance on the skid plate and length.

I retract my statement about the case then. I could of sworn i saw someone saying they were using one.

[Harley]

Originally Posted by DiEzel

I retract my statement about the case then. I could of sworn i saw someone saying they were using one.

I was using one but I had to run a dig on it. It does depend on your ride height as well though I'm sure.

[suzuki]

Originally Posted by Harley

It does matter when talking about the final gear, as some are one piece.
available.

don`t by the one pice then

i run the gear from the link on traxxas brushless and 3-sell with no problem.

[DiEzel]

Originally Posted by Harley

I was using one but I had to run a dig on it. It does depend on your ride height as well though I'm sure.

Roger. That would give you the overall distance between the 2 outputs that you would need, with no interference - correct ?

[Harley]

Originally Posted by DiEzel

Roger. That would give you the overall distance between the 2 outputs that you would need, with no interference - correct ?

Worked well for me. I took the trans out though and put the stock unit back in though because I didn't want the dig anymore after running 4WS. I am wondering now though with the low ride height if you could clear it. You would need a damn long driveshaft though...

[DiEzel]

Originally Posted by Harley

Worked well for me. I took the trans out though and put the stock unit back in though because I didn't want the dig anymore after running 4WS. I am wondering now though with the low ride height if you could clear it. You would need a damn long driveshaft though...

Yea - i dont see a need for dig anymore now that i got 4WS all dialed in. Would be nice to have an alum case though. Dont' really think purchasing dig just to get the driveshaft to hook up is really worth it..wait.. . And 10-4 on the driveshaft.

[Harley]

Originally Posted by EGGOZ CRAWLERZ

im currently trying to solve the aluminum tranny issue in the wraith. ill post up when i have success or falure.

as far as i know the wraith trannys rear output is about an inch longer and uses a smaller bearing at the end of the rear output compaired to the ax10 tranny. so one 8x16x5mm bearing and about a 1" longer rear output is needed so the drive shafts reach and the skid does not interfere.

It's not really a hard issue if you wanted an aluminum tranny. Just get an extended rear output.

[alexchen86]

Originally Posted by suzuki

yes.. but that dosen`t mather

here is the parts:
TowerHobbies.com | 1541 Robinson Racing Hard Steel Idler Gear AX10

TowerHobbies.com | 1540 Robinson Racing Hard Aluminum Differential Gear AX10

If I keep the stock outputs I can just run these Robinson gears. All my Axial trannys are loaded up with these and never had problems!

[omenwolf]

here is a few shots of the RR alum main and steel idler
before

after

[Harley]

Originally Posted by EGGOZ CRAWLERZ

The only one i know of is the crawler inovations output for the 6mm max shafts, then i thought id just drill out my MIPs to 6mm and run the traxxas pin.

harley do you know of a longer output thats 5mm?

You can buy a 6mm end for the MIP's.

[suzuki]

Originally Posted by alexchen86

If I keep the stock outputs I can just run these Robinson gears. All my Axial trannys are loaded up with these and never had problems!

Yes! I use the same parts in my wraith

[racer155]

Excuse my ignorance but I'm new to this RC crawler thing...
do the main and idler gears come only in one tooth configuration? I see every other gear wether it's differential or transmission gears, they come in different tooth numbers to combine them and get different ratios but these two don't, websites don't even mention how many teeth they have, they just say they are "gears" to replace the stock nylon ones.
Again, excuse my ignorance but I'm lost...
Thanks!

[Dostradamas]

Originally Posted by racer155

Excuse my ignorance but I'm new to this RC crawler thing...
do the main and idler gears come only in one tooth configuration? I see every other gear wether it's differential or transmission gears, they come in different tooth numbers to combine them and get different ratios but these two don't, websites don't even mention how many teeth they have, they just say they are "gears" to replace the stock nylon ones.
Again, excuse my ignorance but I'm lost...
Thanks!

The main shaft gear, idler, & bottom gear (3 inside the tranny) use the stock tooth count to keep the ratio of the transmission the same. You only need to worry about the Spur / pinion ratio & the front & rear ring & pinion gears ratio.

The spur / pinion is important to the motor/ esc/ battery. To low of a ratio will cause overheating issues. Stock wratih ratio is 4:1 (20T Pinion / 80T Spur)
I am currently running 6.21:1 (14T P / 87T SP)
Finding the ratio your motor / esc / battery likes is the most important 1. The stock motor smokes fast because of the 4:1 ratio.

The front & rear ratios can be changed so you can adjust how fast the axles spin.
Underdrive gears in the rear make the rear spin slower than the front.
Overdrive gears in the front make the front spin faster than the rear.
If you underdrive both axles you go slower with more torque & if you overdrive both axles you go faster with less torque.

Start with the pinion & spur & aim for 5:1 - 6:1 ratio & test untill you can run 2-3 packs in a row without your motor/esc/battery getting too hot (hotter than you can leave your finger on it for 1-3 seconds)
Then look at the axle ring & pinion gears if you want to tweak a bit more.
Change slowly & test carefully.
I burned up my new HH 35T in 2 packs with a 16T pinion & it runs just right with the 14T.

What goal do you want to achieve with new gears?