Oops I bought a wraith 1.9
 

Well as the title states I made an impulse purchase while shopping for parts for my Ryft kit that I will be soon building. So now my Ryft budget is slightly in the hole.

I have always liked how the 1.9 wraith looks but have been steared clear by its seeming lack of positive reviews. Well this one happened to be on ebay new sealed in box and the bids were very low so I tossed out a bid and won for 266 shipped. At that price it's worth a shot at seeing what I can do with it.

Plans HW 1080 swap possibly since I keep those on hand. And a HH sport 550 10t if it fits ok.

BP Customs chassis brace with bumper.

SSD universals.

Incision stainless link kit.

On that note I had some misc. links that were part of a bulk parts buy some time ago. I'm guessing but it appears is that they are the Incision front links for a bomber. The length was within a mm of the stock plastic links. So far that all that has been changed and hasn't even been outside yet.


Thoughts, comments and suggestions are more than welcome.

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Looks awesome man!!! Nice score.

I really dig the looks of the Wraith, both the 1.9's and the 2.2's, just simple and good looking.

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Looks like a good start, can’t beat that price.

Wraith 1.9 has been on my list of wants for a while, but haven’t made it happen yet.


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There are a few things I think are a must with the Wraith 1.9, cutting the body back a bit (below the doors), a rear bumper to protect the body, the BP brace and to pair with it an easy access receiver box lid.

All of those mods are in my thread here http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/axial...ther-mods.html

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Yeah same here my daughter has a wraith spawn and I have an original wraith that is pretty modified and 2 other basically stock spawns except they have aluminum bodies and are more for back up parts. I like the cage look and my daughters was a kit with custom paint, but I love the look of the 1.9 body so I'm excited to see where this one ends up.

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Definitely does need some essential upgrades for sure. I have been following your thread before I got it so keep the content coming. I got lucky in that my wraith wasn't old stock so it came with the fixed ish front. It seems much stiffer but I will still be adding the BP brace for sure mainly to fix the noodle of a pan hard mount but also for extra stiffening. Good to note the reciever box being inaccessible with brace installed.

Also love your bumper idea too. One question could yours be adapted to use the 4 screw holes on the back of the cage vs the sway bar mount? I'm planning on trying to use a antirock bar and it seems like your mount solution would make that impossible.


Thinking mount like what's on this spawn with your bumper.


Might PM you on that idea if you don't mind.

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Ugh, very nice. This thread just reminded me of how much I want this rig.

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Go for it man look for a deal on one and get it. I've been watching and waiting since they came out. Now it's going to be a slow build up with a tight budget. A few necessary upgrades at first then upgrade as it breaks.

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A little update not much but it's something. I got a set of Capra shocks from Tanis (thanks again bro). I have never built shocks before so this was new. I actually didn't lose any e-clips lol. Got those assembled and filled with 40wt and the lighter weight springs. No leaks and pretty smooth so far. The Capra shocks are 5mm longer so I may still limit the travel a little if needed. I still have yet to take it outside and put it thru its paces.

I also tossed on a set of pit bull rock beasts to see how they would work and clear since they are slightly smaller than the stock tires. At full compression they just barely clear all the stock tire rub points.

More stuff to do for sure but I'm making some progress. Figured I would go ahead and do the shocks since 3 out of 4 of the stock ones were leaking already.

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I think it looks great man. Interested to see how it performs once you get it outside.

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The Capra shocks are much better quality and actually hold oil, just add somewhere around a 10mm limiter and they should do the trick. The rock beasts fit well "thumbsup"

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Suggestions on the limiting of them? I had thought about spacers on the inside or a rubber bump stop on the outside of the shaft like the Ryft shocks run. Yeah the Rock Beast sizing is about perfect even a 2mm limiter and no way they are going to hit anything. Not sold on the rims that I have on them but that's a easy fix with some different beadlock rings to add a little contrast. Have to dig thru my box of wheels and see what I have.

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I would add the limiter inside the shock so you essentially make it a 90mm shock and put it back to stock ride height. Maybe the stock springs will fit?

EDIT: i forget the length of these shocks, you said 5mm I said 10. just checked and they're 98mm stock, I'd go for 8mm but you decide.

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I will probably go internal limiting. Not sure if I'm going to like the 40wt oil that I used but we will see. Capra manual said 97mm and that's pretty close to what I measured them at. The stock however I was expecting 90mm but all 4 are 92mm..........that's why I figured 5mm to go to stock. Maybe my stock ones were off. Anyways I'll hopefully get a little drive time on it tomorrow and see how it does and tweak it from there once I get my other parts in as that will definitely add some weight and may change the suspension geometry some.

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Quick little update on the shocks. I got a little time outside to see how it performed and with the Capra shocks and 50wt oil it worked very well. I have about 1/4" of preload on the front and maybe 1/4" worth on the back this gives me just enough to almost fully flex. Basically under its own weight it just kisses the fenders. If its really bound up it will try and shove the tires into the fenders. Based on that I will probably limit them a little bit to take a bit of the preload off. Front is probably about 50% droop and rear about 40% with the preload the way that it is. Still not sure about the 50wt oil it seems heavy but the shocks are very predictable in their behavior. It also helps pretty much eliminate the torque twist as well. I havn't had a chance to trail it at higher speed so that might be a problem not sure how fast they will react to the bumps. I kind of want to get my links and chasis brace in as well as swapping out the esc for a HW1080 and a 550 10t crawlmaster sport if it fits.... before I do too much shock tuning at this point.



Also tossed a set of Axial r35 BFG AT on stock scx10.2 xj wheels they are just a hair bigger than the stock tires but seem to work pretty good (use these on both my xj builds and have liked them on those). Being much less aggressive in tread also keeps them from ripping at the body if they do contact it.
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Kids were playing with wood blocks tonight so took the opportunity to do some ramp tests. Really surprised how stable this thing is.

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Decided to change things up a bit. I wanted a clean shelf body and a running body. Tried to find an unpainted one but had no luck looks like they are discontinued and no one has any left in stock. Manage to find a orange new take off was all I could find anywhere so went with that. Looks pretty good so that's the new running body.

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The clear bodies are a bit scarce but I doubt they discontinued it this soon but maybe.

I was 500 miles from home and just happened to find one in a hobby shop after I had been looking online for months, I scooped that up quick.

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According to Horizon's website they are officially discontinued. Couldn't even find a listing on Amain, RPP, or any of the other major RC shops.


I lucked out and snagged this one on ebay 5 min after it listed. I have only seen 2 clear listed in the last 3 months on ebay as well and they sold in first 12 hrs.


Kinda sucks cause I guess that means that they will be discontinuing the Wraith 1.9 altogether.







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Well dang, I guess it has been out a while and its in a weird RTR only void.

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Yup still sucks though lol. Glad I have one at least and thankfully most of the parts should still be pretty easy to come by for a while. Guess this one never really caught on much either. I haven't had mine all that long and don't have much time running it but I'm really liking the platform a lot. Guess I'll need to stock up on a few of the Wraith 1.9 platform specific parts now or just buy a second one :roll:.

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Nice score man!

I too had been watching, hemming and hawing on scoring a 1.9 Wraith for a while. I ended up scoring a similar deal online, so let the games begin. "thumbsup"

I've been going back n forth on two totally different schools of thought. 1.) Tear it apart and completely upgrade/modify as I usually do with my rigs. Or, 2.) Run it box stock and commence with a full on torture test and only repair/replace what breaks. I fear I don't have the discipline for this! :lmao:

I've already removed the body decals on my Black/Green rig (too busy for me). Next, I flipped the rear shock tower and outboarded the front shocks to the lower link mount to bring the altitude down a bit. Then it was some wheels and tires. Going to get her out this weekend and make some assessments. My guess is I'll be deeply in to my 1st school of thought before I'm through the first pack.:roll:

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Yeah I have done that a few times over the years as well. First rig I got I wound up putting 500 in upgrades before I had hardly even driven it. Over the years and 2 kids later I have learned to slow down and replace or modify as needed (mainly lack of money and time). I have 26 axial rigs now so I can't just up and mod like I used to lol. I have also started seeing how much I can do with little tweaks and free mods first to improve performance.


Congrats on the score to you as well. Get a thread on it with some pictures. I'm always looking for ideas.

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So yup... one of you guys did it. I just ordered one up. I've wanted one since it first came out, but I managed to always put it off.

I've been noticing that the black color is slowly dwindling in availability and I'm sure the orange one is sure to be next. It looks like the rig is going to be discontinued soon, and whatever RTRs out there is what seems to be left. Body set is discontinued which is a bummer.

It seems to be going through the last stages of life like the UMG10 did when it got discontinued.

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Glad you got one before they were gone man.

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Small update in using the rear misc links that I had on hand I messed up and used the wrong rod ends. So without realizing it I shortened my wheelbase about a 1/4". Also the hollow balls I had were just a tad too narrow thing they were revo rod ends. I found some more rod ends in the parts box and some correct width stainless hollow balls. Now my wheelbase is just about 1/16' - 1/8" longer than stock and all the slop is now gone as well. Nice and tight but everything moves freely and super smooth.

Black body picture was with the shorter wheelbase and the tire was hitting the fender area way farther forward.

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Adjusted wheelbase of just a touch over 12" and tire now hit fender pretty much in the middle if not just a touch to the rear of the fender.

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That looks good man!!!

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Thanks

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Made a few more changes tonight. I wasn't real happy with the torque twist when on the throttle but didn't want to do anything too drastic. So I just moved the esc over to the other side so now it's a bit more balanced side to side and that helped a good bit. Still has a little bit of torque twist but very manageable now.


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Also tweaked upper links on rear a little to change the drive line angle. Not sure if I made it better or if I created a problem. Seems to work great but would like some input on it. Now the driveline at normal height is almost straight. The rear diff is slightly angle up from the drive shaft line and I will probably put slightly shorter rod ends on to push the diff down just a hair to keep it angled straight inline with the drive shaft. Looks far better than the front drive line angles that are still stock for now.

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Small update finally found and got in the BP Custom chassis brace and some shims for the pinions. I really wanted the brace with the bumper support but it's out of stock with no date as to if it will get restocked.

Will post picture once installed.

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Nice! You may have the updated cage on yours since you got yours later in production. I think it adds a tiny bit of extra support for the front bumper. Whether thats enough to be bulletproof or not I dont know.

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Yes, mine is the updated chassis design, which I'm sure is much better than the v1. I wanted mainly to beef up the panhard attachment point because it was very weak. Even the stock crap servo was causing the mount to deflect some.

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Here is the chassis support installed. Definitely stiffend up the whole front end very nicely. Everything feels much tighter and more solid than previously. The panhard mount is super ridged now, and the clearances while less still allow everything to move freely.

Have some more goodies coming soon.


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Here is a good shot at the slightly beefed up chassis. Definitely better than the original but still has a lot of flex to it.

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Well I have some more parts coming in this week. I will update once they get in.




Thoughts and Ideas of where too next.


I have considered putting the ssd 2 speed trans in this rig I love the idea of low low crawl and still decent enough to trail with.



Here is the thought and parts idea.


SSD 2-Speed trans

56t spur and keep cover or go 60t spur and ditch the cover
10t if it fits or 11t pinion

8t 550 HH crawlmaster sport
Hobbywing 1080 esc



Gear calculations


10t pinion with 60t spur = 1st gear FDR 110.5 2nd gear FDR 40.5
speed on 3s would be approx. 3.26 mph first and 8.89 mph for second.


11t pinion with 56t spur I know this fits.

1st gear FDR 93.75 2nd gear FDR 34.37
Speed on 3s would be approx. 3.84 mph in first and 10.38 mph for second.


Any pros or cons to going this route?



Yes I have heard brushless is so much better, but I have 99% of what I need to go this route minus the transmission which on sale is about 80 bucks.


I am not opposed to trying brushless but I have had huge success with my cheap brushed setups. Pretty much all my rigs are running the HW1080 with a HH crawlmaster sport or the trailmaster sport in 550 if it fits 540 if not. Just not sure on dropping 160 to 250 on a brushless setup.


Sorry for the longer more involved post but ideas and thoughts would be appreciated.

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Nothing wrong with cheap electronics, as long as they work...

However I have had issues with servos burning out in 2 speeds. So a Brushless system can give you the best of both worlds, Excelent low speed control and top speed rivaling high gear in a two speed. I finally stepped up to a Castle sensored system in my Wraith (Copperhead combo) and top speed is 12ish mph and low speed is good, just not Brushed smooth. She cogs a bit when in a bind. (Stock gearing 12/56 1900kv)

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Yeah I do love the smoothness of the 5 slot 550 motors. So far the HW1080 and the HH Crawlmaster sport motors have been great. I figured with a full size servo I would eliminate most of the servos burning up. I have three 2 speed rigs yeti xl and bomber v1 that have full size servos no issues there for years of use. Now my Ryft has a micro servo with around 10-15 hrs on it so far so good..........


Good to know the brushless speeds though that's about what I'm shooting for I have considered the HW fusion 1800kv or the Spektrum version in 2300kv and gearing down a little more. Price wise its not that far off of the 2 speed option either.

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I got some goodies in the mail tonight .....

Incision links wanted weight down low. Current rear links are Incision links from the front of a bomber. So if I keep these it will look the same.

SSD long rod ends and m3/m4 rod ends to tweak bomber links if I keep them on the rig. Using the bent uppers might prevent me from using the 550 length motor. I'll use the stock Incision links if there is a problem or order the SSD 2 speed spacer to get the clearance needed.

SSD universals
SSD bent titanium steering link (not sure if I'll use these)
HW1080 with RR 11t pinion and HH Crawlmaster sport 8t 550

It's a start ........pics will go up soon.

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I'm planning some similarly cheap electronics in my Bronco. I want the Holmes 550, 13t Crawlmaster Sport. I figure I should also move to the HW 1080 when I do that.

However, since I'm still running the stock Horizon gear which combines the ESC and RX, I'll also need to buy a new RX / TX if I do that.

So I might as well buy another micro servo, and a 4ch RX / TX to get full function (2 speed and dig) from my transmission.

So even though I plan for cheap electronics, it'll probably still be an expensive switch. Definitely not something I'm doing for a while. I'll probably need to see some stock components fail before I head down that road.

It sounds like your setting this Wraith up to be a lot of fun. Should be quite the performer on the trail or the rocks.

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Yeah I hear ya there funny thing that's exactly what I did with my 10.3 JLU. Did the HW 1080 and a 12t 550 cralwmaster sport tossed in a 4ch. Spektrum rx and bound to my dc5. Already had the rx and tx setup with about 5 4ch rx. Granted I got my 10.3 with no esc or rx/tx so I didn't have much choice.

I would, however, suggest go ahead and get the motor and tweak the esc settings. The HH motors even on the stock esc make a significant difference in speed and smoothness. I have all stock electronics on my 10.3 gladiator, except I swapped a HH 550 12t in as well and wow I like it. It's a tight fit but nothing needs to be trimmed just patience in routing wires. Granted, you have a different motor cover, so I can't say anything about that.

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Thanks for the tip. I'll probably order up a Crawlmaster in a few days.

And I don't care about my motor cover. My Bronco's hood doesn't open so I could scrap it entirely and not miss it. In fact, that seems like a good way to shave some weight up high...