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Old 11-20-2006, 12:05 AM   #1
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Default i guess this is a physics question

so what makes something float/bouyant?

is it the area that it takes up?
can u make someting smaller but pressureize it to have the same effect?

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say a 2 liter bottle with the top on no pressure. VS 12oz bottle with 64oz worth of air. are they equaly bouyant? or "is there no replacement for displacement"?
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anything will float as long as it weighs less than the volume of water id displaces.......i think
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buoyancy
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Old 11-20-2006, 03:41 AM   #4
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anything floats if it has a volume less then one witch is a lot and uh there is no replacement for displacement
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Old 11-20-2006, 05:00 AM   #5
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anything will float as long as it weighs less than the volume of water id displaces.......i think
You are correct. An object will be buoyed upward if it weighs less than the weight of the fluid that it is displacing. This is known as Archemedes Principal.
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Old 11-20-2006, 05:43 AM   #6
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so what makes something float/bouyant?

is it the area that it takes up?
can u make someting smaller but pressureize it to have the same effect?

example
say a 2 liter bottle with the top on no pressure. VS 12oz bottle with 64oz worth of air. are they equaly bouyant? or "is there no replacement for displacement"?
to change your example a little.... a 12oz bottle with 64oz of air will float less than a 12oz bottle with 12oz of air(I understand its not REAL oz just the volume that it takess) because the pressurize bottle has more air(duh) and said air weighs more...
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Old 11-20-2006, 08:41 AM   #7
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anything floats if it has a volume less then one witch
Is the witch made out of wood?
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Old 11-20-2006, 08:46 AM   #8
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to change your example a little.... a 12oz bottle with 64oz of air will float less than a 12oz bottle with 12oz of air(I understand its not REAL oz just the volume that it takess) because the pressurize bottle has more air(duh) and said air weighs more...

So are you saying that a tire filled with air would weigh more than a same sized tire without air in it?












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Yup, but the second one wouldn't float. Air has a weight, too.
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Old 11-20-2006, 09:08 AM   #10
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i understand why it floats and u guys are right.... but no one has gotten what i'm asking i dont think....

lets say u take a couple 2 liters....
first just has the top on it and duh it floats
second has lets say 50psi in it and duh it floats
assume we attach "X" amount of weight to each bottle neck...
will both sink under the same amount or will the pressurized bottle stay afloat while the regular bottle sinks under the same weight?


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Why does some of my poo sink while some floats? I have samples....
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Old 11-20-2006, 09:38 AM   #12
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density of the poo lol
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Why does some of my poo sink while some floats? I have samples....


Does that have anything to do with the amount of peanuts contained in the poo?
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i would guess the 2 liter with 50psi will sink faster being that air has weight, but then the higher volume of air might keep it afloat, beets me. sounds like a good day for an air compressor, some empty bottles, a couple of weights and a pond.....now get busy!
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density of the poo lol
How would I measure that? Can I send you a sample?



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Does that have anything to do with the amount of peanuts contained in the poo?

No nuts for me. I think the issue of not being able to handle dairy products very well causes most of my floatation issues.
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Old 11-20-2006, 10:13 AM   #16
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well grab urself a floater and a sinker and squeeze them and feel the difference in consistency, u could even try mixing the 2 and see if it would still float or sink or possibly hang in limbo in the bowl.... just wash up after ur lil experiment
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Assuming the 2 liter could hold its shape under 0psi and the pressure of the water, it will be float more. If the container collapses the water displacement changes.

Ever taken a large bouncy ball to the bottom of a pool? It is really hard to pull it under, but once you hit about 10 feet under it collapses and will stay down until brought back up.
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Old 11-20-2006, 10:40 AM   #18
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JRH is right... you have to assume that the 2L bottles stay the same shape and size... if they do...the one with the least amount of air floats best...
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i understand why it floats and u guys are right.... but no one has gotten what i'm asking i dont think....

lets say u take a couple 2 liters....
first just has the top on it and duh it floats
second has lets say 50psi in it and duh it floats
assume we attach "X" amount of weight to each bottle neck...
will both sink under the same amount or will the pressurized bottle stay afloat while the regular bottle sinks under the same weight?

the pressurized bottle will actually sink sooner due to the weight of the air (this is assuming the bottle doesn't behave like a balloon and expand as air pressure is increased in it, which would make it have a larger volume).

here's an example, take an empty propane tank and a full one, which one do you think will float with more weight tied onto it? :-P

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to change your example a little.... a 12oz bottle with 64oz of air will float less than a 12oz bottle with 12oz of air(I understand its not REAL oz just the volume that it takess) because the pressurize bottle has more air(duh) and said air weighs more...


So how much does air weigh?



Man... All this air around me, is weighing me down...
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