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wrx-n-ktm · 11-26-2007, 12:29 PM

My wifes grandfather wants me to try to sell his car online, maybe ebay? But I can't find any information at all online about this car. It's a really rare car. From what he tells me there are only about 24 of them known in the USA.

This is all the info he wrote down for me...
Make- Bergfalke
Model Victoria 254
Year- 1958
Engine- 1 cylinder 2 stroke 75+ MPG

Top for the car is stored in the trunk (front of car.)

Here are some pics I scanned I still need to get an engine shot.

All I can find about Bergfalke online is gliders. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Prime · 11-26-2007, 12:49 PM

I can offer no help with info, but that is a sweet little car.

_BEN_ · 11-26-2007, 01:06 PM

It has a bicycle horn. LOL

Totally sweet. My girlfriend has a thing for classic compacts. She really wants a Metropolitan.

How much is he looking to get out of it? You may need to get it appraised then put it on eBay like you mentioned.

binaryterror · 11-26-2007, 02:03 PM

Likely it's going to be a pain. I can't find anything about Bergfalke making any automobile let alone the Victoria model. Having it appraised will be hard because most appraisers now use the internet to find history and such...we are all at a loss.

Your honest best bet might be contacting a high end auctioneer like Barret Jackson (http://www.barrett-jackson.com/) to have them help.

This will not pull as high on ebay as with an auctioneer like Barret Jackson or similar. Those auctioneers tend to pull in big names and the most intricate collectors (Jay Leno comes to mind...).

wrx-n-ktm · 11-26-2007, 05:16 PM

Here I thought everything was on the internet

_BEN_ · 11-26-2007, 06:26 PM

Do you have any more information on it.
Like where were they made?
Other possible models/trims made by Bergfalke.

Maybe the glider company is the one that made the cars.

Seek the advice of an antique auto appraiser.

2JSC · 11-26-2007, 06:30 PM

Contact the guys at Barret-Jackson. Some of them might have info for you, or point you elsewhere.

renoirbud · 11-26-2007, 06:43 PM

Hey there

Bergfalke is German for Mountain falcon. This was a airplane (Gliders) manufacture in the time frame you refer to.

Maybe this was a side project. (just like BMW used to make planes).

Rudukai13 · 11-26-2007, 06:44 PM

75+ mpg? Dang

Nice car. What's the speedometer go to?

Scattman · 11-26-2007, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _BEN_

It has a bicycle horn. LOL

Totally sweet. My girlfriend has a thing for classic compacts. She really wants a Metropolitan.

How much is he looking to get out of it? You may need to get it appraised then put it on eBay like you mentioned.

Ahhh, the Metropolitan. I used to have 3 of those but ended up getting rid of them. Regretting it now. I still have a wrecked 61 and a spare engine.

Mello_Yello · 11-26-2007, 10:25 PM

That things cool, like the others have suggested contact a high end auction house, ie barrett-jackson. Good luck and keep us updated.

RivBlueNoma · 11-26-2007, 11:15 PM

Try contacting Hemmings Motor News, they may be able to shed some light on things.

BTW, are you 100% sure about the spelling Bergfalke?

wrx-n-ktm · 11-27-2007, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RivBlueNoma

Try contacting Hemmings Motor News, they may be able to shed some light on things.

BTW, are you 100% sure about the spelling Bergfalke?

No, I'm going to go and double check everything soon.

wrx-n-ktm · 11-28-2007, 10:27 AM

I just sent an e-mail to that auction company. Hopefully they respond!

wrx-n-ktm · 11-28-2007, 11:02 AM

This is the response I got...

Quote:

Thank you for your interest in Barrett-Jackson. We do not provide a service that finds information about vehicles. We recommend doing a search at your local library or bookstore. There are many books and manuals available to decode and find data on your vehicle. There are also several historical societies and companies advertised in publications such as Hemmings Motor News that can provide this service. You may contact Hemmings at www.hemmings.com. It is also sold at many newsstands and bookstores. You can also check the following websites for further information as well: http://manheimgold.com/car_lo.html or www.nadaguides.com or http://www.collectorcarmarket.com/menus/makes.htm We do not travel out of state to do appraisals, as we only do appraisals in the local Phoenix area. If you cannot find a similar vehicle on our website at http://www.barrett-jackson.com/results/ we recommend that you have the vehicle appraised by a qualified collector car appraiser. You can check the yellow pages under "appraisers" or "auto appraisers", or look in the service directory of Hemmings Motor News for an appraiser in your area. Best Regards,

TwistedXT · 11-28-2007, 11:38 AM

according to all those links.. that car does not exist...
was it a kit car..? lools like that company only made planes.... maybe its just powered by a Bergfalke motor?

TwistedXT · 11-28-2007, 11:51 AM

honestly.. it looks like a kit car from a boat mfg... due to the lack of info on it.. you may not be able to get anything for it. but due to its uniqueness... that may help the price a little but high dollar collector cars are either a highly regaurded classic like a vette or something and or was owned by someone famous or was a piece of history somehow.. ie, Carol Shelby's person Cobra just went for something nutz like 2 million dollars..

All it takes is 2 eccentric weathly people fiting over it for you to make alot of money.. but honestly... does that car float? it looks like it would?

wrx-n-ktm · 11-28-2007, 11:54 AM

I've also contacted a few auto appraisers in my area as well. I've always thought that it looked like it could float

TwistedXT · 11-28-2007, 11:54 AM

Call up that curly mustach guy from "My Classic Car"

TwistedXT · 11-28-2007, 11:56 AM

that guy has seen some of the oddest cars i can think of.. you never know... there could be a huge group of old guys in NJ or something that own like 50 of those things... maybe. just list it as 75MPG.. it'll sell.

11-26-2007, 12:29 PM	#1
wrx-n-ktm Rock Crawler Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: stafford springs Posts: 697	Interweb search help needed. (Rare car) ebay My wifes grandfather wants me to try to sell his car online, maybe ebay? But I can't find any information at all online about this car. It's a really rare car. From what he tells me there are only about 24 of them known in the USA. This is all the info he wrote down for me... Make- Bergfalke Model Victoria 254 Year- 1958 Engine- 1 cylinder 2 stroke 75+ MPG Top for the car is stored in the trunk (front of car.) Here are some pics I scanned I still need to get an engine shot. All I can find about Bergfalke online is gliders. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Last edited by wrx-n-ktm; 12-02-2007 at 05:57 PM.

11-26-2007, 01:06 PM	#3
_BEN_ Quarry Creeper Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Torrance, CA. Posts: 282	It has a bicycle horn. LOL Totally sweet. My girlfriend has a thing for classic compacts. She really wants a Metropolitan. How much is he looking to get out of it? You may need to get it appraised then put it on eBay like you mentioned. Last edited by _BEN_; 11-26-2007 at 01:10 PM.

11-26-2007, 06:43 PM	#8
renoirbud RCC Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: China Grove, NC Posts: 1,395	Hey there Bergfalke is German for Mountain falcon. This was a airplane (Gliders) manufacture in the time frame you refer to. Maybe this was a side project. (just like BMW used to make planes). Last edited by renoirbud; 11-26-2007 at 06:50 PM.

11-26-2007, 12:49 PM	#2
Prime RCC Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Flatwoods Posts: 1,036	I can offer no help with info, but that is a sweet little car.

11-26-2007, 02:03 PM	#4
binaryterror I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Detroit Posts: 3,583	Likely it's going to be a pain. I can't find anything about Bergfalke making any automobile let alone the Victoria model. Having it appraised will be hard because most appraisers now use the internet to find history and such...we are all at a loss. Your honest best bet might be contacting a high end auctioneer like Barret Jackson (http://www.barrett-jackson.com/) to have them help. This will not pull as high on ebay as with an auctioneer like Barret Jackson or similar. Those auctioneers tend to pull in big names and the most intricate collectors (Jay Leno comes to mind...).

11-26-2007, 05:16 PM	#5
wrx-n-ktm Rock Crawler Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: stafford springs Posts: 697	Here I thought everything was on the internet

11-26-2007, 06:26 PM	#6
_BEN_ Quarry Creeper Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Torrance, CA. Posts: 282	Do you have any more information on it. Like where were they made? Other possible models/trims made by Bergfalke. Maybe the glider company is the one that made the cars. Seek the advice of an antique auto appraiser.

11-26-2007, 06:30 PM	#7
2JSC I wanna be Dave Join Date: May 2006 Location: FOUR 8 OH Posts: 4,913	Contact the guys at Barret-Jackson. Some of them might have info for you, or point you elsewhere.

11-26-2007, 06:44 PM	#9
Rudukai13 Quarry Creeper Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Aurora, CO Posts: 442	75+ mpg? Dang Nice car. What's the speedometer go to?

11-26-2007, 10:25 PM	#11
Mello_Yello Quarry Creeper Join Date: May 2006 Location: Georgetown, Texas Posts: 229	That things cool, like the others have suggested contact a high end auction house, ie barrett-jackson. Good luck and keep us updated.

11-26-2007, 11:15 PM	#12
RivBlueNoma Rock Crawler Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cutting Comms Posts: 752	Try contacting Hemmings Motor News, they may be able to shed some light on things. BTW, are you 100% sure about the spelling Bergfalke?

11-28-2007, 10:27 AM	#14
wrx-n-ktm Rock Crawler Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: stafford springs Posts: 697	I just sent an e-mail to that auction company. Hopefully they respond!

11-28-2007, 11:38 AM	#16
TwistedXT Powered by Awesome Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Parker, Colorado Posts: 3,622	according to all those links.. that car does not exist... was it a kit car..? lools like that company only made planes.... maybe its just powered by a Bergfalke motor?

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11-28-2007, 11:51 AM	#17
TwistedXT Powered by Awesome Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Parker, Colorado Posts: 3,622	honestly.. it looks like a kit car from a boat mfg... due to the lack of info on it.. you may not be able to get anything for it. but due to its uniqueness... that may help the price a little but high dollar collector cars are either a highly regaurded classic like a vette or something and or was owned by someone famous or was a piece of history somehow.. ie, Carol Shelby's person Cobra just went for something nutz like 2 million dollars.. All it takes is 2 eccentric weathly people fiting over it for you to make alot of money.. but honestly... does that car float? it looks like it would?

11-28-2007, 11:54 AM	#18
wrx-n-ktm Rock Crawler Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: stafford springs Posts: 697	I've also contacted a few auto appraisers in my area as well. I've always thought that it looked like it could float

11-28-2007, 11:56 AM	#20
TwistedXT Powered by Awesome Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Parker, Colorado Posts: 3,622	that guy has seen some of the oddest cars i can think of.. you never know... there could be a huge group of old guys in NJ or something that own like 50 of those things... maybe. just list it as 75MPG.. it'll sell.

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