K.O.H. Type Scale Race intrest ??

[ROLANDROCKSHOP]

Ive been dreaming this up for the past few months..
wanted to see if it got any response before I put anymore into it.

Ultimate Scale KOH/Ultra style race..sometime in 2014..
at Superlift Orvpark.

Race rig..pit crew..support truck..everything that's KOH turn it into a scale event.

Multiple laps with different routes for each lap...@1hr a lap.
Pit crew/Support truck assistance..
Driver/pitcrew radio's..

Amb transponder system for accurate time keeping.
*Race Teams will need their own Amb Personal Transponders*

*Teams will be responsible for there own radio's as well*



Race rigs/support truck Driver roles can be swapped around if the Team so chooses.

When/if the race rig breaks down on course he then radio's to his pit crew/support truck for tools/parts needed..location of breakdown..MOVE IT!
The scale Support truck then hauls the parts needed to broken down Team rig.
Support rigs can cut thru course,does not have to follow the layout of course,but when on course you must go in the intended direction of course and race vehicles have the right of way.

The Driver can make minor repairs on course..battery swaps,tighten lug nuts,swap a drive shaft,tighten set screws.

Driver or Pitcrew can make repairs on vehicle on course.
Repairs must be made closest to the spot on course where rig broke down,but not in the way of traffic.

Rigs must have proper lights,just like the KOH/Ultra rigs.


Race rig specs we will follow what U4Rc has laid down.
simple enough..Thanks Jerry!

Rules..
It has to look like something you would see on a 1:1 trail, race, or street rig.

All Classes:
MOA are not allowed. Non-scale race-track style vehicles are not allowed. Battery must be chassis mounted, and hidden in a scale fashion. Electric powered vehicles only. No Comp, short course, cut n shut, or pin tires allowed. A tire must be a scale tire, either a licensed replica, or a non-licensed replica. Rigs not meeting specific class specs will be placed in the fairest class possible at the judge’s discretion.

1.9 Trail:
This class is for 1.9” tire clad vehicles that are box stock thru highly modified. Vehicle must be scale in appearance. Rim diameter must not exceed 1.9”at any point. No short course style rims allowed. Vehicles must have (2) solid axles. Vehicles must have rail style, tube, or twin vertical plate chassis(x-trail chassis or similar). This class requires the rig to have a scale body like your typical 1.9 “scale”rig or TUFF Truck. Wheelbase must not exceed 13” and track width must not exceed 10”.

1.9 Competitor:
This class is for 1.9” tire clad rigs that are highly modified and resemble full size race vehicles. Vehicle must be scale in appearance for rock-race style racing. This class includes rigs running plastic chassis and/or roll cages. Open to any shaft driven, non-moa axle configuration. Single or double solid axle or independent suspension is allowed. Rim diameter must not exceed 1.9” at any point. Short course style rims are not allowed. Rail style, tub style and tube chassis’ are allowed. Wheelbase must not exceed 13” and track width must not exceed 11”. Rear steering is allowed.

2.2 Competitor:
This class is for 2.2” tire clad vehicles that are box stock thru highly modified. Vehicle must be scale in appearance for rock-race style racing. This class includes rigs running plastic chassis and/or roll cages. Open to any shaft driven, non-moa axle configuration. Single or double solid axle or independent suspension is allowed. Short course style rims are allowed. No Comp, short course, or pin tires allowed. A tire for this class must be a scale tire, either a licensed replica, or a non-licensed replica. It has to look like something you would see on a 1:1 trail, race, or street rig. Wheelbase must not exceed 14.5” and track width must not exceed 13”. Rear steering is allowed.

Trophy 2.2:
This is a builder’s class. This class is for 2.2” tire clad Ultra4 style rigs that are highly modified and highly resemble full size rock race vehicles. This class only includes rigs running full metal roll cages or, a metal upper cage attached to a factory skid plate. Meaning no plastic chassis component allowed except skid plate. You can use a factory skid plate, such as a Wraith, or Wreckluse skid. You could also use the metal portion of an Exo Skid, but not any plastic pieces attached to it. Vehicle must be very scale in appearance. Open to shaft driven, non-moa axle configurations. Single or double solid axle and non-factory independent suspensions (aka hand fab) are allowed. Rim diameter must not exceed 2.2” at any point. Short course style rims are not allowed. Rail style and tube style chassis’ are allowed. Minimum overall chassis height, we are currently researching what this should be, but we came up with 4.5”. Wheelbase must not exceed 14.5” and track width must not exceed 12.5”. Rear steering is allowed. Minimum vehicle weight 8lbs.
Cockpit area must have a driver. (Either Lexan driver insert or actual figurine).
Since our emphasis is on scale vehicles, terrain, and media, we are going to be strict about this driver requirement in 2.2 Trophy. The biggest change for this series is the helmet requirement and the fact that this will be enforced.



So a Team will consist of Race rig and Support truck and 2-3 Teammates.



Would really be awesome if this does happen..
if everyone had/has a trailer to haul there race rig on,getting video of them all pulling in to their pits.


Post up if you'd be interested or suggestions.
Just remember im really going for "Scale" in this setup and running and layout.

[Szczerba]

I think 1 hour laps is kinda long due to the support truck being the parts rig. If I am broke down 1/2 mile away from the pits, I don't wanna wait for 10-15minutes for someone to bring me parts. Kinda kills the fun of driving, know whadda mean?

[ROLANDROCKSHOP]

laps at the G6 roughly 1hr long...

don't breakdown and you don't hafta worry..nowwhatimean


the course wont be that hard it'll just be long..
it will have a few technical spots here and there..

[Szczerba]

oh yea, you can delete everything I have highlighted in red.

Originally Posted by ROLANDROCKSHOP

Ive been dreaming this up for the past few months..
wanted to see if it got any response before I put anymore into it.

Ultimate Scale KOH/Ultra style race..sometime in 2014..
at Superlift Orvpark.

Race rig..pit crew..support truck..everything that's KOH turn it into a scale event.

Multiple laps with different routes for each lap...@1hr a lap.
Pit crew/Support truck assistance..
Driver/pitcrew radio's..

Amb transponder system for accurate time keeping.
*Race Teams will need their own Amb Personal Transponders*



Race rigs/support truck roles can be swapped around if the Team so chooses.

When/if the race rig breaks down on course he then radio's to his pit crew/support truck for tools/parts needed..location of breakdown..MOVE IT!
The scale Support truck then hauls the parts needed to broken down Team rig.
Support rigs can cut thru course,does not have to follow the layout of course,but when on course you must go in the intended direction of course and race vehicles have the right of way.

The Driver can make minor repairs on course..battery swaps,tighten lug nuts,swap a drive shaft,tighten set screws.

Driver or Pitcrew can make repairs on vehicle on course.
Repairs must be made closest to the spot on course where rig broke down,but not in the way of traffic.

Rigs must have proper lights,just like the KOH/Ultra rigs.


Race rig specs we will follow what U4Rc has laid down.
simple enough..Thanks Jerry!

Rules..
It has to look like something you would see on a 1:1 trail, race, or street rig.

All Classes:
MOA are not allowed. Non-scale race-track style vehicles are not allowed. Battery must be chassis mounted, and hidden in a scale fashion. Electric powered vehicles only. No Comp, short course, cut n shut, or pin tires allowed. A tire must be a scale tire, either a licensed replica, or a non-licensed replica. Rigs not meeting specific class specs will be placed in the fairest class possible at the judge’s discretion.

1.9 Trail:
This class is for 1.9” tire clad vehicles that are box stock thru highly modified. Vehicle must be scale in appearance. Rim diameter must not exceed 1.9”at any point. No short course style rims allowed. Vehicles must have (2) solid axles. Vehicles must have rail style, tube, or twin vertical plate chassis. This class requires the rig to have a scale body like your typical 1.9 “scale”rig or TUFF Truck. Wheelbase must not exceed 13” and track width must not exceed 10”.

1.9 Competitor:
This class is for 1.9” tire clad rigs that are highly modified and resemble full size race vehicles. Vehicle must be scale in appearance for rock-race style racing. This class includes rigs running plastic chassis and/or roll cages. Open to any shaft driven, non-moa axle configuration. Single or double solid axle or independent suspension is allowed. Rim diameter must not exceed 1.9” at any point. Short course style rims are not allowed. Rail style, tub style and tube chassis’ are allowed. Wheelbase must not exceed 13” and track width must not exceed 11”. Rear steering is allowed.

2.2 Competitor:
This class is for 2.2” tire clad vehicles that are box stock thru highly modified. Vehicle must be scale in appearance for rock-race style racing. This class includes rigs running plastic chassis and/or roll cages. Open to any shaft driven, non-moa axle configuration. Single or double solid axle or independent suspension is allowed. Short course style rims are allowed. No Comp, short course, or pin tires allowed. A tire for this class must be a scale tire, either a licensed replica, or a non-licensed replica. It has to look like something you would see on a 1:1 trail, race, or street rig. Wheelbase must not exceed 14.5” and track width must not exceed 13”. Rear steering is allowed.

Trophy 2.2:
This is a builder’s class. This class is for 2.2” tire clad Ultra4 style rigs that are highly modified and highly resemble full size rock race vehicles. This class only includes rigs running full metal roll cages or, a metal upper cage attached to a factory skid plate. Meaning no plastic chassis component allowed except skid plate. You can use a factory skid plate, such as a Wraith, or Wreckluse skid. You could also use the metal portion of an Exo Skid, but not any plastic pieces attached to it. Vehicle must be very scale in appearance. Open to shaft driven, non-moa axle configurations. Single or double solid axle and non-factory independent suspensions (aka hand fab) are allowed. Rim diameter must not exceed 2.2” at any point. Short course style rims are not allowed. Rail style and tube style chassis’ are allowed. Minimum overall chassis height, we are currently researching what this should be, but we came up with 4.5”. Wheelbase must not exceed 14.5” and track width must not exceed 12.5”. Rear steering is allowed. Minimum vehicle weight 8lbs.
Cockpit area must have a driver. (Either Lexan driver insert or actual figurine).
Since our emphasis is on scale vehicles, terrain, and media, we are going to be strict about this driver requirement in 2.2 Trophy. The biggest change for this series is the helmet requirement and the fact that this will be enforced.



So a Team will consist of Race rig and Support truck and 2-3 Teammates.



Would really be awesome if this does happen..
if everyone had/has a trailer to haul there race rig on,getting video of them all pulling in to their pits.


Post up if you'd be interested or suggestions.
Just remember im really going for "Scale" in this setup and running and layout.

[Szczerba]

Originally Posted by ROLANDROCKSHOP

laps at the G6 roughly 1hr long...

don't breakdown and you don't hafta worry..nowwhatimean


the course wont be that hard it'll just be long..
it will have a few technical spots here and there..

that's coo. Just keep in the mind the distance away from the pits when setting up the course, is what I am really trying to say.

[ROLANDROCKSHOP]

Originally Posted by Szczerba

that's coo. Just keep in the mind the distance away from the pits when setting up the course, is what I am really trying to say.

oh I know..
I have the kids atv track in mind at Superlift for this event.
We can get the whole area closed off and not worry about anyone busting thru in a 1:1 or atv/utv/dirtbike..etc

and I said @1hr lap times..i just wanna make sure everyone gets plenty of wheel time in at the event.

[mmatthews]

1.9 Trail

Can you run a non supported, one man, race. 1:1, a lot of the smaller guy's will ask a favor of some of the other crews if they need support. Is this something we could do as well.

[STANG KILLA SS]

i liked a post that they posted on U4RC facebook.
they posted some new rules and mentioned the race should never be about driver fitness. drivers of all shapes and sizes should/will always have a fair shot.

event sounds amazing, but i know i didnt get into RCs to have a sweaty workout












date so i can set my calender?

[ROLANDROCKSHOP]

Originally Posted by mmatthews

1.9 Trail

Can you run a non supported, one man, race. 1:1, a lot of the smaller guy's will ask a favor of some of the other crews if they need support. Is this something we could do as well.

how will you ask for assistance,if you don't have radio?

what if a crew is bringing you parts and they get called to go help there Team rig?

being as its a timed race,i doubt anyone is gonna stop long enough to radio in and risk the chance at breaking while the Team support truck is out helping someone else. I could be wrong thou..


So in the sake of being fair..

if you wanna run solo,you run solo.

[mmatthews]

Originally Posted by ROLANDROCKSHOP

how will you ask for assistance,if you don't have radio?

what if a crew is bringing you parts and they get called to go help there Team rig?

being as its a timed race,i doubt anyone is gonna stop long enough to radio in and risk the chance at breaking while the Team support truck is out helping someone else. I could be wrong thou..


So in the sake of being fair..

if you wanna run solo,you run solo.

Solo it is!
Someone would be nicest enough to help a man out, if not, DNF.
No team for me, I don't play well with others.

[ROLANDROCKSHOP]

Originally Posted by STANG KILLA SS

i liked a post that they posted on U4RC facebook.
they posted some new rules and mentioned the race should never be about driver fitness. drivers of all shapes and sizes should/will always have a fair shot.

event sounds amazing, but i know i didnt get into RCs to have a sweaty workout



date so i can set my calender?

Rock Crawling is an adventure,get of yer ass!!


eh,a brisk walk/jog is all you need..

ive YET to see someone keep up with there super awesome pro4 motors and drive the rig accurately on dirt/rock course.


as the saying goes...
any given sunday,anyone can win.



date undetermined...for shure not gonna be summer..
maybe @fall..give everyone time to build and test.

[ROLANDROCKSHOP]

Originally Posted by mmatthews

Solo it is!
Someone would be nicest enough to help a man out, if not, DNF.
No team for me, I don't play well with others.

im not saying they cant..if they want to help,thats great.

[BC Racing]

I love the idea.....all in!!

Originally Posted by ROLANDROCKSHOP

Rock Crawling is an adventure,get of yer ass!!



eh,a brisk walk/jog is all you need..




ive YET to see someone keep up with there super awesome pro4 motors and drive the rig accurately on dirt/rock course.

We have been practicing this on a regular @ Goat Hill RC ORP, some can actually give it a go......might hack up a lung at the finish but...lol

Remember it only hurts after the race is over....

[ROLANDROCKSHOP]

here's the spot at Superlift Orv from google maps..

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=hot+s...gl=us&t=h&z=18

[TheAxialNut]

Build it they will come....out here in the west its blowing up!

Good Luck...

[cooperDG123]

Sounds like a lot work......but a whole lot more fun!

[ROLANDROCKSHOP]

and guys think of it like this...

You could always form a Team thru Rcc..
1 of you wants to race the other doesn't really care about racing but has a truck to act as a support role and wants in on the Scale fun.

??hmmm??

[ROLANDROCKSHOP]

Originally Posted by cooperDG123

Sounds like a lot work......but a whole lot more fun!

Naa...
no more than setting up a G6 event.


and yea..lots of fun!

[Manning]

Originally Posted by Szczerba

oh yea, you can delete everything I have highlighted in red.

Ha! I don't agree, but that's funny stuff nonetheless. Maybe keep it G6 style and just have a little tire and a training wheel class.


I really like the idea of a KOH scale race event regardless if it's a "chase your truck" or a "stand in one place" type event.

[Szczerba]

Originally Posted by Manning

Ha! I don't agree, but that's funny stuff nonetheless. Maybe keep it G6 style and just have a little tire and a training wheel class.


I really like the idea of a KOH scale race event regardless if it's a "chase your truck" or a "stand in one place" type event.

Yea. More rules are awesome, always, said no one in ever. In ever.

Anyways, I read through the rules and one of my 2.2 scale trucks is excluded because it's 17.5" wb. But it will have scale tow rig to go with it.

Not related to my above comment but I just don't like seeing a lot of rules that could exclude new comers to these events. I said could.