Motor brushed : the best?

[Cirederf]

Hello, I am a little lost about brushed motor for my AX10 with a CC sidewinder and 2S lipo .
What would be the best compromise wheel speed and torque? What pinion size? What brushed motor; Tekin, handwood, novak ...........?
In advance thank you.

[bigjay1973]

best motors out there.....Holmes Hobbies ....

[2500hdon37s]

Holmes is the way to go! well worth the cash

http://holmeshobbies.com/product.php...&cat=17&page=1

with 2s a cc sidewinder on an ax-10 id sugget a 35, 40, or 45t motor with something in the range of 14-18t pinion and an 87t spur

[skkeeter]

Any good handwound will have plenty of torque. Go with a 35t if your running 7.4. 12-14t pinion.

[JeremyH]

http://holmeshobbies.com/product.php...&cat=17&page=1

[newbe5.9]

holmes is very good

[motorman]

Originally Posted by skkeeter

Any good handwound will have plenty of torque. Go with a 35t if your running 7.4. 12-14t pinion.

Whats the difference if it was handwound or machine wound if it has the same wire size and turns, it will be the same?? maybe someone can enlighten me on this topic..

[2500hdon37s]

Originally Posted by motorman

Whats the difference if it was handwound or machine wound if it has the same wire size and turns, it will be the same?? maybe someone can enlighten me on this topic..

and you call your self motorman!

a hand wound motor will produce a lot more tourqe and a hair more speed, as for turns, that refurs to how mean wraps of wire are on each post of the arm. more turns= slower but more tourqe, less turns= more speed but less tourqe. id highly suggest the Holmes Hobbies 40t for you, its a great middle ground between a 35t and 45t.

[JeremyH]

Originally Posted by motorman

Whats the difference if it was handwound or machine wound if it has the same wire size and turns, it will be the same?? maybe someone can enlighten me on this topic..

Here is the difference:

An Integy machine wound arm:
Cutting a motor commutator & motor tweaks

And a Brood hand wound arm:
Cutting a motor commutator & motor tweaks

See the difference???

[2500hdon37s]

Originally Posted by JeremyH

Here is the difference:

An Integy machine wound arm:
Cutting a motor commutator & motor tweaks

And a Brood hand wound arm:
Cutting a motor commutator & motor tweaks

See the difference???

great pics to show the diffrence in the comm. size, how much tighter, and neater the winds are on a handwound

[JeremyH]

You can thank EeePee for those pics!

BTW, motorman, if that still doesnt clear things up for you, you might want to do a bit of reading about the creation of a magnetic field from an electric current and the location of that magnetic field with respect to the current (wire).

[JohnRobHolmes]

Simply put, you can't have a machine wound that packs as much copper as a person. Sure it is possible, but nobody wants to program and buy a machine to do it- you could hire a handwinder for YEARS for the same cost.

[skkeeter]

I just put 2 HH 35t "HANDWOUNDS" in my Berg that replaced my CKRC 55t. Just as much torque and all the wheel speed I'll ever need. Fantastic products from HH

p.s.
I got them used in the classifieds.

[EddieO]

It's not really possible for a machine to pattern wind with any consistency...the main problem is the arms are all a bit different with the green coating. What works on one arm, doesn't work on another....a person can figure this out....the arm will just continue to try to wind it.

Add on top the cost, you can pay a guy to do it MUCH cheaper before you would ever pay for a machine, that will still have crap results at best.

A handwound arm will provide everything in a better manner than a machine wound of the same wind......more power, more rpm, more torque, more efficient, less heat, etc etc....

Later EddieO

[JohnRobHolmes]

I have seen a few CNC winders that can actually pattern wind, but they have to be programmed for every stator shape, wire gauge, and turn count. They are very similar to the CnC welders, but with different tooling to handle the wire. Even still I would argue that hand winding will be more effective, as you say a person can adjust the wind when a problem arises.

[motorman]

wOW, Took that a bit offensive guys, Yes i do call myself motorman, thats my trade. The point I was refering to is, What's the difference between a hand wound 35t motor with #24 wire and a machine wound motor with the same turns and wire?

[JohnRobHolmes]

You won't find a machine wound with the same turns and gauge of wire, as compared to the hand wound. They are too sloppy and normally don't come close to filling the slots.

[motorman]

But I do agree a handwound armature will be of better quality than a sloppy machine wound.

[motorman]

Originally Posted by JohnRobHolmes

You won't find a machine wound with the same turns and gauge of wire, as compared to the hand wound. They are too sloppy and normally don't come close to filling the slots.

I agree

[JeremyH]

Originally Posted by motorman

What's the difference between a hand wound 35t motor with #24 wire and a machine wound motor with the same turns and wire?

Did you look at what I posted above??

A bit more information....when an electric field is present, a magnetic field is also present and is "pointed" at a right angle to the electric field. When all of the winds are properly aligned the magnetic fields are also aligned. When all of the winds go in different directions, so will the magnetic field.