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xjcritter 03-13-2011 11:06 AM

no servo response while using throttle
 
mkay guys if your following along with project hack job in the scorpion section then you know Im sorta of a smart newb till electronics comes into play..

My servo goes straight with no response till I let off the throttle then it works fine. I can turn it then throttle and it holds but the servo arm keep trying to return to straight??????

Hitech 645mg servo
stock voltage CC bec
FXR and traxxas 2.4 TQ Rx and Tx

Ive got the pos an neg battery wired to my deans along with the FXR.
I ran the pos an neg servo wires by themselves and the Rx servo wire by its self but wraped it up the the pos and neg servo wires from the bec using this diagram http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/electronics/286726-bec-wiring-diagram.html

heres a few crappy pics to maybe help you get the pic of my wireing

http://a3.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/i...c5f40b58/l.jpg

http://a3.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/i...5adb9735/l.jpg

http://a4.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/i...cf9d0318/l.jpg

It is still in mock up stage as in not neatness but I wired it up the way I thought it was going to stay?????? help

xjcritter 03-13-2011 12:28 PM

Nobodys got a clue a hint a anything????? damn now I feel a little better about it :lmao:

SMR 510RR 03-13-2011 01:31 PM

Does the light on the BEC go off when it stops happening?

Its hard to see what you have going on in that rats nest of wiring.

Charlie-III 03-13-2011 02:43 PM

Step one.....NEVER mix comm/data wires with power wires, EVER, DON'T do it!!!!!!!!:shock:

It appears you have the BEC wires direct to your steering servo?
Then you have the steering servo wire direct to the RX (although wrapped around power wires)?

xjcritter 03-13-2011 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie-III (Post 2983207)
Step one.....NEVER mix comm/data wires with power wires, EVER, DON'T do it!!!!!!!!:shock:

It appears you have the BEC wires direct to your steering servo?
Then you have the steering servo wire direct to the RX (although wrapped around power wires)?

thats right is that a issue??

Yeaahhh I figured that might be a issue but the servo comes with all 3 together so I figured that wouldnt matter to much.

as far as the light I didnt even look honestly. I know its a rats nest but I havent finished runnin the wires just yet Ill neatin every thing up and check all my connections just to make sure

Charlie-III 03-14-2011 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjcritter (Post 2983936)
thats right is that a issue??

Yeaahhh I figured that might be a issue but the servo comes with all 3 together so I figured that wouldnt matter to much.

The question is for how long are you swamping signal wires with electrical noise. Granted, they all come together @ the RX, but wrapping the signal wire around a power wire for a long distance is just asking for issues.
I try and keep as much seperation as possible for as long as possible. Excess signal wires are coiled up and ty-wrapped out of the way.
I also try & keep the motor wires twisted together to help kill electrical noise. This was more of an issue back in the "FM radio days", but still helps now.

Part of what happens for battery & motor wires is, everytime there is a large load, the wires have a magnetic field around them, these fields "cut through" all other wires which can generate a voltage (this is how a transformer or motor works.......). Since this signal can vary in voltage it can also mess with data in the signal wire. Thus the radio & servo/ESC can be told to do odd things.

xjcritter 03-14-2011 06:30 AM

Ahh got ya. well I got all day to mess with it and hopefully figure it out I also go it on on NCs local forum hoping someone around here can hands on school me.

As stated Im still learning the electrical part of all this :oops: and learn by trial and error. Seems to be the best way for me

T3rry 03-14-2011 07:45 AM

it's because you're using an analog servo... for an analog servo you have to direct wire the bec to the RX, cant go direct.

at least that's my experience.

xjcritter 03-14-2011 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T3rry (Post 2984419)
it's because you're using an analog servo... for an analog servo you have to direct wire the bec to the RX, cant go direct.

at least that's my experience.


Little bit better explanation please...that one hurt my head a little :lmao:

benoj 03-14-2011 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T3rry (Post 2984419)
it's because you're using an analog servo... for an analog servo you have to direct wire the bec to the RX, cant go direct.

at least that's my experience.

from my experience thats not true. my clod super running 2 cheap analog 1/4scale servos were wired to the bec with only the signal wire going to rx for over a year

T3rry 03-14-2011 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjcritter (Post 2984470)
Little bit better explanation please...that one hurt my head a little :lmao:

Wire it normally, how castle suggests, not directly to the servo... not sure how i can explain it any simpler.

Quote:

Originally Posted by benoj (Post 2984665)
from my experience thats not true. my clod super running 2 cheap analog 1/4scale servos were wired to the bec with only the signal wire going to rx for over a year

i am not saying they all wont work, i am saying every time this has been the symptom, that has been the solution, in my experiences.

xjcritter 03-14-2011 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T3rry (Post 2984739)
Wire it normally, how castle suggests, not directly to the servo... not sure how i can explain it any simpler.



i am not saying they all wont work, i am saying every time this has been the symptom, that has been the solution, in my experiences.


Ill try it that way. or would 6+ volts hurt the Rx itself..just gotta round up some servo pins again.....yeah stupid mistake thanks for the help guys and anyone else who may have a option feel free to chime in at any time..

T3rry 03-14-2011 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjcritter (Post 2984776)
Ill try it that way. or would 6+ volts hurt the Rx itself..just gotta round up some servo pins again.....yeah stupid mistake thanks for the help guys and anyone else who may have a option feel free to chime in at any time..

traxxas doesn't share that info, but i would assume 6v would be safe.

xjcritter 03-14-2011 12:50 PM

Thats why I direct wired my servo..at 40 bucks a pop I didnt want to risk blowing it also..Ill wire it into the Rx like castle shows an see If it works any better


So far so good on going through the Rx......long lasting Ill have to update to let you know if it blows lol OFF TO THE ROCKS


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