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AsILayDying · 12-02-2011, 05:07 PM

Real quick question, is the drake brake on the Mamba Max Pro any good. Is it programmable over 30%. I'm not seeing it on the castle website, just curious since I want to go brushless in one of my scaler rigs. If anyone can help I would appreciate it, thanks.

Charlie-III · 12-02-2011, 06:17 PM

Ummm....I believe all the MM's can go to 213% (my 2 older MM's can). I will admit I haven't looked at my Pro's though.

Oh, and it's drag brake.....

ghtpdm5 · 12-02-2011, 06:19 PM

you can set them up to 213% (field program card allows to 100%)

AsILayDying · 12-02-2011, 06:21 PM

Is the MMP a good esc choice? I'm buying a new ESC tomorrow morning to run this weekend and was thinking about running Sensored brushless 21.5t motor. Does this seem like a good idea. I also have a CC BEC and a Hitec wp servo

ghtpdm5 · 12-02-2011, 06:32 PM

they are a great, very versatile esc. i would only trade mine for a tekin rs, but that's a size issue, and the rs is more expensive. and as far as a castle link goes, if you don't have one already, pony up the extra 4 or 5 bucks for the field program card, the ability to make in field adjustments is great, and it functions as a normal castle link when connected to a computer.

for scaler use, i would be researching on how to waterproof them if you do any diving or mudding.

Charlie-III · 12-02-2011, 06:32 PM

Yep, just checked my MM Pro......213% it is.

I've had good luck with CC MM's, I say go for it.

Obviously a HH BRXL may be better since you can use the CC Link on it and it has a pretty good internal BEC, the CC link can do the ESC as well as the CC BEC.

ghtpdm5 · 12-02-2011, 06:35 PM

said he wants to go brushless charlie, brxl is brushed only

AsILayDying · 12-02-2011, 06:36 PM

Ok, thanks for all the info. Now let me throw a wrench into the info.

I already have a CC USB link and a Field Card but I also already have a BR-XL. I wanted to try a brushless setup because I'm getting tired of burning up brushed motors. I do like the ability of using brushed or brushless with the MMP. I am glad to see that the MMP has a good amount of functions that can be programmed. Just want to make sure it's worth the 105 dollars.

ghtpdm5 · 12-02-2011, 06:39 PM

worth every penny if you ask me, i've put a lot of hours on mine and haven't had a single gripe against it myself. running a tekin 17.5 with ccbec in an lcc geared pretty heavy, the esc barely gets warm most of the time on 3s. and that's without the fan

Charlie-III · 12-02-2011, 06:40 PM

The only time I know people are burning up brushed motors are:

-Cheap motors
-No motor maintenance
-Worm drive rigs (worm drives eat brushed motors for lunch)

AsILayDying · 12-02-2011, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie-III

The only time I know people are burning up brushed motors are:

-Cheap motors
-No motor maintenance
-Worm drive rigs (worm drives eat brushed motors for lunch)

I will admit to the first one, I do maintenance my motors and rigs when I use them. Just haven't spent the money on a expensive motor. Looking to find a HH Hand wound 35t but no luck yet. I figured run the MMP and a 21.5t Sensored motor w/ CC BEC on 3s. Any advice?

ghtpdm5 · 12-02-2011, 06:57 PM

well, i may be a bit biased on the subject of brushless in crawlers being a loyal lcc runner, but my opinion is that the start up costs may be higher, but in the end you have versatility with most brushless esc's also capable of running brushed. charlie is correct on the quality motor, i have a brood 30t sitting in my box for backup or another project if i ever decide to ditch the worms. with the field program cards, i feel the mmp is the best choice for most people that want to experiment with brushless, the performance of a brushless setup greatly varies depending on the settings, and if you just aren't feeling it, then you can just put it back into brushed mode and go, no fuss. only thing it doesn't have that i would like is bec adjustment, but that's because i'm a linux user and don't feel like dual booting an os i hate just to run the damn castle link.

that's my opinion, i know that charlie likes brushed motors in crawlers more (as does most of the site) but that is with good reason as well. smoother overall operation of brushed motors almost makes me want to pony up for a lathe and do frequent cuttings, but the fact that i have 6 hour test sessions sometimes would mean pulling the motor every 5 mins for me, so brushless is the answer for me.

we can only give advice here, in the end its you choice.

EeePee · 12-02-2011, 06:59 PM

My worm gear brush motor alarm went off…

If you already have a Castle BEC consider the 1 cell version of the MMP.

ghtpdm5 · 12-02-2011, 07:02 PM

how many of those alarms do you have?! afraid to post in the headphone chat because of some of them

AsILayDying · 12-02-2011, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EeePee

My worm gear brush motor alarm went off…

If you already have a Castle BEC consider the 1 cell version of the MMP.

I can get the MMP for 105 right now on sale so it's cheaper then the 1 Cell. So I think I'm set on the MAmba Max Pro and a Sensored brushless 21.5t motor.

boisetrucker · 12-02-2011, 07:08 PM

Not to thread jack but if you go with a sensored motor that will eliminate cogging correct?

AsILayDying · 12-02-2011, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boisetrucker

Not to thread jack but if you go with a sensored motor that will eliminate cogging correct?

Don't worry about the thread jackin, I believe with a good Sensored setup you can eliminate almost all cogging. Don't quote me though

ghtpdm5 · 12-02-2011, 07:17 PM

will minimize cogging, if you poke it in the wrong way under high load, it'll still cog a bit.

Charlie-III · 12-02-2011, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghtpdm5

well, I may be a bit biased on the subject of brushless in crawlers being a loyal lcc runner, but my opinion is that the start up costs may be higher, but in the end you have versatility with most brushless esc's also capable of running brushed.

I don't own any BL motors although I have run a couple.
I started on brushed a few decades ago and still like them.
I run quite a bit of time before comm cuts (yes, I own a comm lathe).

The only BL's I don't like for crawling are sensorless, sensored seem to be decent, I just haven't bought one yet.

AsILayDying · 12-03-2011, 07:53 AM

Well I guess I haven't tried it yet so the only thing to do is try it and figure out from there. If I don't like it I'm sure I could sell it fairly easy. Thanks for the help and advice. Heading over to LHS right now to buy some goodies.

12-02-2011, 05:07 PM	#1
AsILayDying RCC Addict Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Orlando Posts: 1,153	Drag Brake on MMP? Real quick question, is the drake brake on the Mamba Max Pro any good. Is it programmable over 30%. I'm not seeing it on the castle website, just curious since I want to go brushless in one of my scaler rigs. If anyone can help I would appreciate it, thanks.

12-02-2011, 06:17 PM	#2
Charlie-III I wanna be Dave Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: 07456 N. NJ USofA Posts: 8,314	Ummm....I believe all the MM's can go to 213% (my 2 older MM's can). I will admit I haven't looked at my Pro's though. Oh, and it's drag brake.....

12-02-2011, 06:19 PM	#3
ghtpdm5 Defy Gravity Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: wells, mn Posts: 2,326	you can set them up to 213% (field program card allows to 100%)

12-02-2011, 06:21 PM	#4
AsILayDying RCC Addict Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Orlando Posts: 1,153	Is the MMP a good esc choice? I'm buying a new ESC tomorrow morning to run this weekend and was thinking about running Sensored brushless 21.5t motor. Does this seem like a good idea. I also have a CC BEC and a Hitec wp servo

12-02-2011, 06:32 PM	#5
ghtpdm5 Defy Gravity Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: wells, mn Posts: 2,326	they are a great, very versatile esc. i would only trade mine for a tekin rs, but that's a size issue, and the rs is more expensive. and as far as a castle link goes, if you don't have one already, pony up the extra 4 or 5 bucks for the field program card, the ability to make in field adjustments is great, and it functions as a normal castle link when connected to a computer. for scaler use, i would be researching on how to waterproof them if you do any diving or mudding.

12-02-2011, 06:35 PM	#7
ghtpdm5 Defy Gravity Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: wells, mn Posts: 2,326	said he wants to go brushless charlie, brxl is brushed only

12-02-2011, 06:36 PM	#8
AsILayDying RCC Addict Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Orlando Posts: 1,153	Ok, thanks for all the info. Now let me throw a wrench into the info. I already have a CC USB link and a Field Card but I also already have a BR-XL. I wanted to try a brushless setup because I'm getting tired of burning up brushed motors. I do like the ability of using brushed or brushless with the MMP. I am glad to see that the MMP has a good amount of functions that can be programmed. Just want to make sure it's worth the 105 dollars.

12-02-2011, 06:39 PM	#9
ghtpdm5 Defy Gravity Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: wells, mn Posts: 2,326	worth every penny if you ask me, i've put a lot of hours on mine and haven't had a single gripe against it myself. running a tekin 17.5 with ccbec in an lcc geared pretty heavy, the esc barely gets warm most of the time on 3s. and that's without the fan

12-02-2011, 06:40 PM	#10
Charlie-III I wanna be Dave Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: 07456 N. NJ USofA Posts: 8,314	The only time I know people are burning up brushed motors are: -Cheap motors -No motor maintenance -Worm drive rigs (worm drives eat brushed motors for lunch)

12-02-2011, 06:57 PM	#12
ghtpdm5 Defy Gravity Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: wells, mn Posts: 2,326	well, i may be a bit biased on the subject of brushless in crawlers being a loyal lcc runner, but my opinion is that the start up costs may be higher, but in the end you have versatility with most brushless esc's also capable of running brushed. charlie is correct on the quality motor, i have a brood 30t sitting in my box for backup or another project if i ever decide to ditch the worms. with the field program cards, i feel the mmp is the best choice for most people that want to experiment with brushless, the performance of a brushless setup greatly varies depending on the settings, and if you just aren't feeling it, then you can just put it back into brushed mode and go, no fuss. only thing it doesn't have that i would like is bec adjustment, but that's because i'm a linux user and don't feel like dual booting an os i hate just to run the damn castle link. that's my opinion, i know that charlie likes brushed motors in crawlers more (as does most of the site) but that is with good reason as well. smoother overall operation of brushed motors almost makes me want to pony up for a lathe and do frequent cuttings, but the fact that i have 6 hour test sessions sometimes would mean pulling the motor every 5 mins for me, so brushless is the answer for me. we can only give advice here, in the end its you choice.

12-02-2011, 06:59 PM	#13
EeePee MODERATOR™ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 18,928	My worm gear brush motor alarm went off… If you already have a Castle BEC consider the 1 cell version of the MMP.

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12-02-2011, 07:02 PM	#14
ghtpdm5 Defy Gravity Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: wells, mn Posts: 2,326	how many of those alarms do you have?! afraid to post in the headphone chat because of some of them

12-02-2011, 07:08 PM	#16
boisetrucker Rock Crawler Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Boise Posts: 604	Not to thread jack but if you go with a sensored motor that will eliminate cogging correct?

12-02-2011, 07:17 PM	#18
ghtpdm5 Defy Gravity Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: wells, mn Posts: 2,326	will minimize cogging, if you poke it in the wrong way under high load, it'll still cog a bit.

12-03-2011, 07:53 AM	#20
AsILayDying RCC Addict Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Orlando Posts: 1,153	Well I guess I haven't tried it yet so the only thing to do is try it and figure out from there. If I don't like it I'm sure I could sell it fairly easy. Thanks for the help and advice. Heading over to LHS right now to buy some goodies.

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