looking for a rebuidable

[kgb424]

I want to build a semi-go fast Wraith and I'm looking for a rebuild able brushed 27 Turn motor, I bought two Tekin Heavy Duty 35 Turn motors and really like them, but Tekin doesn't make a rebuildable, 27 Turn motor, I looked on line, I found Holmes Hobbies makes three different rebuild able 27 Turn motors, but not sure which one is best for me. Does anybody else know of any other good brands that are rebuild able. By good brands, I mean parts available, fairly priced, good customer service, etc.

[lemonhead]

HH or Brood are your best options. great motors , service, and parts.

if I'm not mistaken you can get a 27t armature from HH and drop it in your Tekin 35t, that way you wont have to buy a new motor.

happy hunting

[kgb424]

I bought two Tekins,35 Turn motors, I bought one for my SCX10 and liked it, so I bought a second one for my Crawler Wraith, I want a 27 Turn rebuild able brushed motor for my Basher/Trail/Off road Wraith. I get the point of changing armatures and use the same motor, but I still need a third motor for my second Wraith. Cause a 20 turn is a little too much, and the 19 Turn ones are not for a heavy Wraith.

[KJ10]

I'd just get the whole motor. I have a HH CM Pro in 20 turn, and 2 HH TM Pro's in 35 turn. The CM is smoother but not as powerful. All work extremely well!!! Since you're wanting 27 turn, I'd also suggest a CM Expert 13 turn. It's a 5-pole armature so that would be pretty close to a 27 turn 3-pole. And it's the motor I'm gonna put in my SCX when I get tired of my son outrunning me!

[kgb424]

ok I looked at Holmes Hobbies, Torque Master Pro 540, 27 turn to 55 turn, Torque Master Expert 13 turn to 55 turn, and a Trailmaster Pro 540, that is 27 turn only. I also looked at the Brood Motor there is the Creep, Spector, and the Apocalypse, I don't know any thing about Brood motors, kinda like the Holmes Hobbies. but not sure which one.

[EddieO]

The Apocalypse 27t Type T is what most people like in the wraith....typically see guys use between a 25t and 30t, with the 27t being fairly common compromise between the two.

Later EddieO

[mammoth]

Another good choice is Team Brood's Stump Humper. Cheap motor that is rebuilable but will give you tons of speed and crawl good as well. Just my .02¢

[envious8420]

Ive got a box of 27 turn rebuild-ables left over from my carpet racing days.

[redsawacs]

you can always unwind one of your current motors and rewind it to be a 27T

[kgb424]

envious8420 pm sent

[EddieO]

Old rebuildable 27t stock motors from the racing days will last about 2 minutes in a wraith. The wraith requires a reverse rotation motor. All old stock motors run at a locked 24 degrees. That would run the motor in a wraith at a negative 24 degrees.....motors ran with negative timing don't last long, especially with 24 degrees. Very few of the old motors can be hacked to adjust the timing, as 90% of them were trinity units, which a majority of those still hanging around were the square cans....

Pretty much ALL of the old stockers, even back into the early 90s used very little steel in the arms so they would turn more RPM....they often used weaker magnets too, so they could spin up easier. Not a very good arm for a crawler, let alone a wraith.

Trust me, I would love to be able to sell old stock and 19t motors, I still have about 2000 untouched teardowns of each....that nobody wants cause they don't work in much.

Later EddieO

[envious8420]

if you build the wraith correctly the trans runs in forward rotation. ive been running the same p2k2 pro for the last year without an issue.

if your wraith is running in reverse, flip the diffs to the other side of the axle housing.

[kgb424]

I got two wraiths and a scx10, one wraith has a Tekin HD 35 turn, with 18/87 gearing and its great, the scx10 has a Tekin HD 35turn, with 14/93 gearing and it great also, there slow, for fast fun, I got a brushless Exo and brushless Mini Trophy, but neither one of them, got the ground clearance, of a Wraith with 2.2'', and just can't handle the rough stuff like a Wraith at speed, so I want a go fast, but yet controllable, kick ass Wraith that's a blast to drive, a 20 turn or 19 turn might be a little too fast, but it just could be me, I'm using the Axial AE-2 esc's on 2s lipo's in three of them. might go 3s later on. So that's why I was looking for a rebuild able brushed motor, or I could just go brushless. And get the Castle MMP esc and a Castle 1410 3800 kv motor but if I do that I want to go 3s just to see what it would do. and probably break something.

[Ty@Tekin]

Originally Posted by EddieO

Old rebuildable 27t stock motors from the racing days will last about 2 minutes in a wraith. The wraith requires a reverse rotation motor.

Only if the diffs are flipped.

[EddieO]

Originally Posted by envious8420

if you build the wraith correctly the trans runs in forward rotation. ive been running the same p2k2 pro for the last year without an issue.

if your wraith is running in reverse, flip the diffs to the other side of the axle housing.

flipping them works, but thats very uncommon for an older stocker to work well....you must be fairly cautious compared to most wraith users...

Originally Posted by Ty@Tekin

Only if the diffs are flipped.

Every one I have ever seen had the diffs installed to require a reverse motor. The instructions show them installed for a normal motor....so unless newer versions have corrected this, a majority of wraiths take a reversed motor.

Forward motor or not, a 27t stock motor is the last thing I would put in the wraith. The things eat motors for lunch....

Your tekin HD motors can just get a new armature, its the same teardown as what Holmes or I sell, just the can is black instead of Chrome.

Later EddieO

[kgb424]

Ok thanks every body, I just found and bought a used Holmes Hobbies Torque Master Pro 540 35 Turn, I'm going to put this in the Wraith and gear it fast to get some wheel spin, or have it rebuilt to a 27 turn, I got it for a good price and it is in very good condition. didn't want to say nothing until it was a done deal, it was pending and I got it.

[WAFFLE]

Originally Posted by envious8420

if you build the wraith correctly the trans runs in forward rotation. ive been running the same p2k2 pro for the last year without an issue.

if your wraith is running in reverse, flip the diffs to the other side of the axle housing.

FYI, Running the diff direction like the manual shows, causes really bad torque twist when crawling forward up steep climps, 3 wheel motion, and this aint gangsta rap in the 90's.

[kgb424]

I built both my Wraith kits, and on the second Wraith I didn't pay attention to the diffs and as I built it, got it all together, calibrated the esc, pulled the trigger all four wheels were spinning, but it was going nowhere, turn the steering servo it kinda crab walked no where. I was like wt* is going on, it took me a minute to figure out the rear diff, was in backwards. Supposed to be opposite of front, which is opposite of each other correct ????. flipped the rear diff around, and put it back together, this time when I pulled the trigger it was alive and ready for a run. its happens.

[kgb424]

Here is my new to me,Holmes Hobbies Torque Master Pro 540. Its in very good condition and has very little use on it.

[kgb424]

and I also bought one of these its a Tekin hand wound 35t turn rock crawler motor, and I got two Tekin Heavy Duty 35 turn motors. and a Holmes Hobbies