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12-14-2006, 09:11 PM
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| owner, Holmes Hobbies LLC   Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Volt up! Gear down!
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|  Hyperion z3013-14 testing- live performance numbers!
I received a data logger and decided to do some testing on the motor/ esc/ battery. The results I got were astounding! The rig-- The beaver, 14" wb SW2 with narrowed twin force axles. Gearing 13/64 on the tranny and maxx mashers for the rubber. The electrics-- mamba 25 esc Hyperion z3013-14 motor 7 cell GP 3700's I chose the larger cells to see what this motor will really do. It is as much of a test on the motor as it is the batteries and ESC. I basically ran around my house with the crawler, crawling up cinder block overhangs for that crazy bite and strain on the motor. I also wagged the robot servo to see what it would draw (15 amp burst!!). I also crawled up my leg and pushed on the rig as much as I could with my foot. It was a sort of soft stalling like a lower traction situation (I was on carpet) would create. Raw data-- Average voltage: 9.22 volts Average amperage: 12.62 Amps Avg power: 25 watts total time 2 minutes 2 seconds This really doesnt mean much. Every situation and sampling will be different. However, this can show "intensity" of the overall run and how hard the electrics were run. This was very light overall Min voltage: 7.59 V Max amp: 96.08A  Max wattage: 782.60 This was quite a shock to me. The highest burst effort lasted 1 second, and averaged 27.37 amps. The average wattage of the burst effort was 227.55 watts, 8.88 volts. I know this doesnt quite add up correctly, but I think the battery efficiency is factored in. This little motor packs a punch, even through the mamba 25! Im going to do much more testing as the days roll by. I will data log the next comp I am in, compare motors brushed and brushless, and test batteries. I dont think 2/3A cells would have bursted this much, but we shall see. Look for more real world testing in the future! |
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12-14-2006, 09:21 PM
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| RCC Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Minnesota
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How much for just a motor?
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12-14-2006, 09:22 PM
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| I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Albuquerque
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Cool, lots of pretty numbers. All I know is that it all translates to me breaking more stuff.  |
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12-14-2006, 09:30 PM
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| owner, Holmes Hobbies LLC Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Volt up! Gear down!
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The motor is $73 with 5mm shaft and no plug installation. You can add a turned down shaft to accept 1/8th inch pinions for $10, check my website. This is actually a test of Cloaks setup. He will be using it in a 2.2.
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12-14-2006, 09:38 PM
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| Quarry Creeper  Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Orlando
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12-14-2006, 09:39 PM
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| owner, Holmes Hobbies LLC Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Volt up! Gear down!
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Some pretty charts. First one is total run, second one is me hitting a cinder block wall with some invert sections.
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12-14-2006, 09:42 PM
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| owner, Holmes Hobbies LLC Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Volt up! Gear down!
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I have a good bit of 48p 5mm pinion on the way from rc4wd actually. Should be here any day now.
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12-15-2006, 03:46 PM
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| I wanna be Dave Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cleveland, OH
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Wow, that's quite a spike! The Mamba motors are supposed to draw about 100 amps at startup, so I'm confident the Mamba-25 won't let the smoke out if it's geared intelligently. What kind of ESC temps did you see? |
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12-15-2006, 04:05 PM
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| owner, Holmes Hobbies LLC Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Volt up! Gear down!
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The esc didnt get above 100f, but the 2minute run wasnt enough to test that aspect much. I have temp guages on the data logger too, so you bet I will be recording that in real time as well on the next run! Sunday is my next day off, and it will be hobby party day for me! Plenty of testing and such while I can be out in daylight.
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12-15-2006, 04:15 PM
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| TEAM MODERATOR  Join Date: May 2004 Location: Tennessee
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Thats pretty cool John. Have you done a test on the motor I'm running? Just out of curiosity. I'm running 8 sub C's through it now at 63:1 final drive but probly add a cell this weekend,need a bit more wheelspeed  |
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12-15-2006, 04:56 PM
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| owner, Holmes Hobbies LLC Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Volt up! Gear down!
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not yet. Im afraid to after this motor test! My shunt will only read 100 amps max, but bursts shouldnt hurt it. If it does I guess I will just get another. As a quick reference, your motor is twice as long as this one. It should produce about twice the power. |
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12-15-2006, 05:38 PM
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| MODERHATER™  Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado
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That explains alot of my issues i have been dealing w/! I can tell u this, i have never been able to get my clod in a bind, it will pop out or break! W/ a lathe motor it stalled all the time. I will be doing some temperture testing tomorrow...... | |
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12-15-2006, 05:45 PM
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| owner, Holmes Hobbies LLC Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Volt up! Gear down!
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So you can say you are running two one-horsepower peak motors in your clod  assuming your batteries will deliver of course. And to think these are rated for 12 cells! |
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12-15-2006, 09:14 PM
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Well,thats very nice to know  . Just going on the last few posts,a rough guess....I'm running a motor thats a little under or right at 2 hp???? IF my cells are putting out. I know thats a big stab in the dark,but it might be close.The good thing is,the stock drivetrain ain't sweatin it.....it's just begging for more I've not stripped a plastic spur in a while. The GD600 just couldn't take it,so it got thrown in the trash a while back.
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12-15-2006, 11:11 PM
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| owner, Holmes Hobbies LLC Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Volt up! Gear down!
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yeah, your motor is 1hp continuous and 2hp peak. A well constructed pack (soldered bars) of gp's or ib's will put out those numbers pretty easy, especially on 8 cells.
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12-15-2006, 11:20 PM
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you wanna know what I'm doing in the morning? Right now I'm running GP 3300's with Deans battery bars,but would like to try a higher mah cell just to see the difference. If you don't care,PM me a price on 9 Sub C cells. May have to get some and try it out  | |
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12-16-2006, 06:24 PM
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| owner, Holmes Hobbies LLC Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Volt up! Gear down!
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Did some more data logging today. The setup was my comp clod with Revolvers and mamba max's. I didnt record any data besides amperage and voltage. The controllers dont even sweat, I guess I could have recorded the servo temp or something. Outrunners are hard to test the temp on with a probe, the can spins! The rig-- TCS Stick chassis, clodbuster axles, moab xls. The electrics-- dual mamba max escs Holmes Hobbies Revolvers (disco'd for now) 2 cell 2100 lipo, Common sense RC brand dual 5998tg servos |
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