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Mr.Mud · 10-15-2007, 07:48 AM

i decide a buy this motor for my axial scorpion a yet a mamba max ESC what yuo thinks?

Lextronix · 10-15-2007, 08:15 AM

The Mamba max and crawlmaster are a great combo, what batteries are you using?

Mr.Mud · 10-15-2007, 08:43 AM

VENOM 5000 ni-mh

wshipley · 10-15-2007, 09:05 AM

Make sure you gear down, if not that combination with the stock gearing will cause the truck to lurch back and forth at very low speeds. I spoke with JRH about this. My Crawlmaster 850kv works great with the stock Spur Gear and 12T Pinion, the Crawlmaster 1000kv and stock gearing lurched at low speeds. So volt up and gear down and it will work great...

brushlessnut · 10-15-2007, 09:36 AM

I run two rigs with quark 33a and crawlmasters and I love the setup..I run two crawlmaster and mamba max's in my super and I hate the start up..If you can find a quark I would try to get my hand one it they are super smooth the max will work fine and is a geart esc but it is no where near as smooth as a quark..

balang_479 · 10-15-2007, 12:45 PM

im also interested in this, i know alot of people use Holmes motors with the Mamba Max ESC and people say great things about the two together, if im not mistaken there is also a combo being sold on HolmesHobbies.com.
So on a Axial AX-10 i should gear down? but why do you say volt up? does it work better with higher voltage?

also gearing down will still give the wheel speed i need?

mikenredding · 10-15-2007, 01:47 PM

I too am considering the crawlmaster,or the scorpion 3020-14 running a mamba max with 11.1v lipos in my ax 10. I'm just not sure which would be the better motor. I want good low speed performance torque, but also want to be able to be able to spin the wheels at full throttle. Any help or advice would be appreciated.

And by the way Go Holmes Hobbies, for Crawlers there's no better place to buy your gear..........Go John....

cotharyus · 10-15-2007, 01:47 PM

Honestly, skip the MM for a crawler. I've got a Quark33, a MM and a mamba 25 - the mamba's love to go fast, but the low speed sucks. The low end on the quark is magic. Can't go wrong with the Crawlermaster.

wshipley · 10-15-2007, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by balang_479

So on a Axial AX-10 i should gear down? but why do you say volt up? does it work better with higher voltage?

also gearing down will still give the wheel speed i need?

By gearing down you will increase your torque, but loose wheel speed, to maintain the same gearing ratio, but increase you wheel speed just add more cells to you batteries ie 6 cell=7.2, 7 cell=8.4, 8 cell=9.6, the higher the voltage the faster the wheel speed. I like my crawlers to go real slow so AX-10 stock Spur gear, 10T or 12T Pinion Gear Clawlmaster 850kv, Mamba Max, and a 6 Cell Battery, If I find that I need more wheel speed, I will leave everything the same but use a 7 or 8 Cell Battery.

mikenredding · 10-15-2007, 02:27 PM

Does anyone know if you can run a scorpion 3020-14 with a quark 33? i'm using 11.1v lipos.

Mr.Mud · 10-16-2007, 06:39 AM

For this time i buy this

Kamikaze · 10-16-2007, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikenredding

Does anyone know if you can run a scorpion 3020-14 with a quark 33? i'm using 11.1v lipos.

The quark will handle 5 cells, I'm not sure about that motor, but I know I run a quark with a bm-16 and its almost 6 oz, it gets allitle warm but no problems yet.

Usmc8541 · 10-16-2007, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikenredding

Does anyone know if you can run a scorpion 3020-14 with a quark 33? i'm using 11.1v lipos.

That motor will kill your ax10. Its too much motor. I have a scorpion 3014-18 from John in my WK, and its WAY overkill, also the 3020-14 is a 5mm shaft for 5mm pinions. Find something smaller and save yourself the breakage. Maybe a Revolver Black a Crawlmaster or a BM9(TCSCrawlers), only thing with the BM9 is it requires a motor plate adapter to bolt up to the AX-10

Shalom · 10-21-2007, 07:32 AM

Hello All,

It is my first time to post and I want to share with you a bit of my happiness.

I've been playing brushless outrunner crawlers for more than 2 years and owned different BL ESCs like Q33, MM and M25.

Recently, I came across the Lightning 38 BL ESC and I like it very much. It's start-up is very controllable and smooth and it feels more like brushed than brushless setup. It can also perform something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFJOX4dOZ-k (Thanks Edison) that no other BL ESCs I have ever tried can do

Highly recommended for brushless crawlers

Sit back and enjoy a slow and smooth ride :-P

Shalom

Shalom · 10-21-2007, 07:33 AM

Hello All,

It is my first time to post and I want to share with you a bit of my happiness.

I've been playing brushless outrunner crawlers for more than 2 years and owned different BL ESCs like Q33, MM and M25.

Recently, I came across the Lightning 38 BL ESC and I like it very much. It's start-up is very controllable and smooth and it feels more like brushed than brushless setup. It can also perform something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFJOX4dOZ-k (Thanks Edison) that no other BL ESCs I have ever tried can do

Highly recommended for brushless crawlers

Sit back and enjoy a slow and smooth ride :-P

Shalom

Scattman · 10-21-2007, 08:07 AM

Specs? Does it have a drag brake?

tomik · 10-21-2007, 08:09 AM

Interesting, Shalom... How about the reverse-delay of the Lightning 38 ?

Scattman: http://www.skyonerc.com/lightning_38.pdf

Shalom · 10-21-2007, 08:32 AM

tomik,

Using Mode 3 (brake to stop than revese), the ESC will apply brake before going into the opposite direction and I can feel a little bit of delay.

Using Mode 5 (the crawler mode with adjustable drag brake at throttle neutral), the ESC will reverse the motor rotation direction immediately and I can't feel any delay

However, both the ESC and motor do run a bit hotter if I do a lot, I mean a looooooot, very quickly forward and reverse.

Shalom

Reflection · 10-21-2007, 10:04 AM

Can the lightning 38 be hooked to the PC for fine tuning?

JohnRobHolmes · 10-21-2007, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raptorman57

Can the lightning 38 be hooked to the PC for fine tuning?

Nope. It uses a sequence of beeps to program it. It took me about 30 minutes to learn how to do it properly, and then 5 minutes to fully program it.

10-15-2007, 07:48 AM	#1
Mr.Mud Newbie Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: VARAZZE (SV) Italy, but i love the US Posts: 28	Crawlmaster i decide a buy this motor for my axial scorpion a yet a mamba max ESC what yuo thinks?

10-15-2007, 12:45 PM	#6
balang_479 Rock Crawler Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 635	im also interested in this, i know alot of people use Holmes motors with the Mamba Max ESC and people say great things about the two together, if im not mistaken there is also a combo being sold on HolmesHobbies.com. So on a Axial AX-10 i should gear down? but why do you say volt up? does it work better with higher voltage? also gearing down will still give the wheel speed i need? Last edited by balang_479; 10-15-2007 at 12:47 PM.

10-15-2007, 08:15 AM	#2
Lextronix Quarry Creeper Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Chattanooga Posts: 226	The Mamba max and crawlmaster are a great combo, what batteries are you using?

10-15-2007, 08:43 AM	#3
Mr.Mud Newbie Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: VARAZZE (SV) Italy, but i love the US Posts: 28	VENOM 5000 ni-mh

10-15-2007, 09:05 AM	#4
wshipley Pebble Pounder Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Juneau, AK Posts: 153	Make sure you gear down, if not that combination with the stock gearing will cause the truck to lurch back and forth at very low speeds. I spoke with JRH about this. My Crawlmaster 850kv works great with the stock Spur Gear and 12T Pinion, the Crawlmaster 1000kv and stock gearing lurched at low speeds. So volt up and gear down and it will work great...

10-15-2007, 09:36 AM	#5
brushlessnut RCC Addict Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: des moines Posts: 1,104	I run two rigs with quark 33a and crawlmasters and I love the setup..I run two crawlmaster and mamba max's in my super and I hate the start up..If you can find a quark I would try to get my hand one it they are super smooth the max will work fine and is a geart esc but it is no where near as smooth as a quark..

10-15-2007, 01:47 PM	#7
mikenredding Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: redding Posts: 35	I too am considering the crawlmaster,or the scorpion 3020-14 running a mamba max with 11.1v lipos in my ax 10. I'm just not sure which would be the better motor. I want good low speed performance torque, but also want to be able to be able to spin the wheels at full throttle. Any help or advice would be appreciated. And by the way Go Holmes Hobbies, for Crawlers there's no better place to buy your gear..........Go John....

10-15-2007, 01:47 PM	#8
cotharyus Quarry Creeper Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mid TN Posts: 411	Honestly, skip the MM for a crawler. I've got a Quark33, a MM and a mamba 25 - the mamba's love to go fast, but the low speed sucks. The low end on the quark is magic. Can't go wrong with the Crawlermaster.

10-15-2007, 02:27 PM	#10
mikenredding Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: redding Posts: 35	Does anyone know if you can run a scorpion 3020-14 with a quark 33? i'm using 11.1v lipos.

10-16-2007, 06:39 AM	#11
Mr.Mud Newbie Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: VARAZZE (SV) Italy, but i love the US Posts: 28	For this time i buy this

10-21-2007, 07:32 AM	#14
Shalom Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 3	Hello All, It is my first time to post and I want to share with you a bit of my happiness. I've been playing brushless outrunner crawlers for more than 2 years and owned different BL ESCs like Q33, MM and M25. Recently, I came across the Lightning 38 BL ESC and I like it very much. It's start-up is very controllable and smooth and it feels more like brushed than brushless setup. It can also perform something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFJOX4dOZ-k (Thanks Edison) that no other BL ESCs I have ever tried can do Highly recommended for brushless crawlers Sit back and enjoy a slow and smooth ride :-P Shalom

10-21-2007, 07:33 AM	#15
Shalom Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 3	Hello All, It is my first time to post and I want to share with you a bit of my happiness. I've been playing brushless outrunner crawlers for more than 2 years and owned different BL ESCs like Q33, MM and M25. Recently, I came across the Lightning 38 BL ESC and I like it very much. It's start-up is very controllable and smooth and it feels more like brushed than brushless setup. It can also perform something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFJOX4dOZ-k (Thanks Edison) that no other BL ESCs I have ever tried can do Highly recommended for brushless crawlers Sit back and enjoy a slow and smooth ride :-P Shalom

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10-21-2007, 08:07 AM	#16
Scattman Official Cook of the ECC Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Hawthorne, Florida Posts: 2,653	Specs? Does it have a drag brake?

10-21-2007, 08:09 AM	#17
tomik Quarry Creeper Join Date: May 2006 Location: Pirkkala, Finland Posts: 377	Interesting, Shalom... How about the reverse-delay of the Lightning 38 ? Scattman: http://www.skyonerc.com/lightning_38.pdf

10-21-2007, 08:32 AM	#18
Shalom Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 3	tomik, Using Mode 3 (brake to stop than revese), the ESC will apply brake before going into the opposite direction and I can feel a little bit of delay. Using Mode 5 (the crawler mode with adjustable drag brake at throttle neutral), the ESC will reverse the motor rotation direction immediately and I can't feel any delay However, both the ESC and motor do run a bit hotter if I do a lot, I mean a looooooot, very quickly forward and reverse. Shalom

10-21-2007, 10:04 AM	#19
Reflection TEAM MODERATOR Join Date: May 2004 Location: Tennessee Posts: 10,855	Can the lightning 38 be hooked to the PC for fine tuning?

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