berg 2.2, how good is it out of the box

[jombo]

i have been reading the threads for days but only found one that wasent modded out of the box. how good is it out of the box, does it need alot of weights in the tires like the pti and the ax 10 to be competitive or is it like all the rest as the axles and links get caught on the rocks. i want to get one but i just dont want to sink another 1000 bucks into a 2.2 dud .
thanks guys

[Just Zach]

Build it as they say and its really not that good. There is some stuff in the kit that is alright but as you look at the build threads here you can see that pretty much everyone has changed everything but the axles.

The Axial Comp Spec is better out of the box, but with some work and $ the berg will be much, much better.

[Mav-1981]

EVERY rig you buy, you going ot have to change things to make it keep up with comps. You are NOT going to get one outta the box that can win comps, just isnt going to happen. Suspension changes, wheel weights, all that is going to happen no matter what, a $1000 on a 2.2 dud only happens to the ppl that dont read the info in here before they spend the money (like me in the beginning,lol). I dont have a berg yet, its in the works, but everything you are asking about directly, thats EVERY RC Rock crawler, no matter who makes or built it, is going to have changes made to run comps and be seriosuly competative. Noobs complain about what you pointed out, the lifer's, if they actually complain and not just modify because "I ran into this problem, this is what I did to fix it", then it might be worth paying attention too. Wheel weights and axles hanging up IS PART OF THIS, EVERY RIG get changes like that made, if the axles hang up, then you need to practice driving your lines more.

[yukon635]

Originally Posted by jombo

i have been reading the threads for days but only found one that wasent modded out of the box. how good is it out of the box, does it need alot of weights in the tires like the pti and the ax 10 to be competitive or is it like all the rest as the axles and links get caught on the rocks. i want to get one but i just dont want to sink another 1000 bucks into a 2.2 dud .
thanks guys

change the wheels for some berg offset wheels that can be found in the vendors section

I extended one end of each link with a single 3mm nut. Then i just bent them for some high clearance links. My wheelbase is a 1/16 short of 12.5"

Made a custom delrin skid but the stock will work okay if you dont want to spend money/time on making one

limit the shocks with some fuel tubing (internally)

I also made some extensions to stand the front shocks up a little more but it will work fine if you dont

you can see the first pic of my dig setup. since the kit included two skids, i took one and just made the slot a little longer and a hitec-81mg servo fit perfect

some people say upgrade to aftermarket chassis but if you dont have the money to spend then this is a good way to go. My truck will hang with most other bergs in SERCRC and I dont have that much invested in it

[yukon635]

Originally Posted by Mav-1981

EVERY rig you buy, you going ot have to change things to make it keep up with comps. You are NOT going to get one outta the box that can win comps, just isnt going to happen. I dont have a berg yet, its in the works, but everything you are asking about directly

So even tho you havent built/ran your berg, you say that it sucks with some stock stuff?

[jombo]

so its not , the poster who said it wasent was right then. the reason i asked is i have a clod new in the box and was going to build that up as a 2.2
so i will spend the money that way.
if the berg was competitive out of the box with some small adjustments then it would be a good buy for me , but since i have the clod and need a good chassis and some good esc to go with the dsm i have that would be the way to go

[Reflection]

Originally Posted by jombo

if the berg was competitive out of the box with some small adjustments then it would be a good buy for me

All the mods mentioned in this thread ARE small adjustments.

[Master Basher]

Right out of the box, the berg, imho, is much better than the axial crawler. For the money, and for the performance. The Berg has more weight and more articulation to play with, without so much as buying an extra set of springs or wheel weights. The construction is of much higher quality as well. ALL metal vs. a bunch of plastic junk that twists off bends up and all that torque twist?

Don't get me wrong, I have an axial and a berg, but out of the box, I was MUCH happier with my berg purchase.

The shocks need work, and the axles need clocking just for starters on the berg though.

[RCbasher]

In its stock configuration, the berg works very well. In fact, I think a near stock berg placed in the big east coast comp earlier this year (forgot the name, I'm from the west). Thats was when bergs were still new and noone had had much time to modify them. The result was/is true testament to the stock kit's capability.

I remember after that competition how peeople were complaining that a stock rig was beating their $1,000+ AX10s.

[wrightcs77]

Stock Berg works very well. I run stock chassis, bent lower links and stock shocks (limited internally 1/4" and externally 3/4") and love it. I have tried 2 different aftermarket chassis and liked the stock chassis better. Still may try another aftermarket chassis later this fall, but for now it is going back to stock.

[Kamikaze]

Originally Posted by RCbasher

In its stock configuration, the berg works very well. In fact, I think a near stock berg placed in the big east coast comp earlier this year (forgot the name, I'm from the west). Thats was when bergs were still new and noone had had much time to modify them. The result was/is true testament to the stock kit's capability.



I remember after that competition how peeople were complaining that a stock rig was beating their $1,000+ AX10s.

That was my truck. I built it the day before, used most of the stock stuff, but swapped to clod offset rims, and drilled a buch of new link mount holes, and limited the shocks, and had to settle on some stuff due to the time. It did very well, but I know how to tune a truck. This is no sales pitch but the truck I am running now its 3 times as good as the one I had at ECC. The stock berg is good, better than axial, but why settle for good?
I would hardly consider it a stock truck, some stock parts yes, but it was not setup anywhere close to stock.

[RCbasher]

Originally Posted by Kamikaze

That was my truck. I built it the day before, used most of the stock stuff, but swapped to clod offset rims, and drilled a buch of new link mount holes, and limited the shocks, and had to settle on some stuff due to the time. It did very well, but I know how to tune a truck. This is no sales pitch but the truck I am running now its 3 times as good as the one I had at ECC. The stock berg is good, better than axial, but why settle for good?
I would hardly consider it a stock truck, some stock parts yes, but it was not setup anywhere close to stock.

I stand corrected . It's amazing how far the 2.2 class has come in just the last few months. I couldn't be happier that I got a berg, and am looking forward to getting my zero chassis in the near future when I have a enough time to do a full rebuild.

[jombo]

then maybe keep the clod as a stock truck the way it was intended to be built for the kids and buy a set of berg axles and a new chassis and get her done
thanks guys