ARC09X TSAIS-GV (Almost-Ready-To-Crawl) Crawler Kit

[docfire]

Just found this on ebay. It looks like Berg axels but with some changes. They look pre clocked and the knukles are longer and mounted diffrent. The price is high for what you get compaired the the Berg ARTR kit. I like the rims.

Here a link to the web site
http://tsais.com/products/cars/arc09x.html

[Harley]

Yup, same manufacturer as the Berg stuff I believe.

I don't like the knuckles, but maybe we will get lucky and the dimension of the axle C's is the same (doubtful). The machined mounts for the servo look like an improvement. I could live without clocked cases as I don't think they are needed.

[Harley]

Not digging the "ARC" part of the name though

[ubbb69]

Not the same parts as the berg i am guessing. The bearing race does not look like it goes into the axle tube. Idk someone should try one out.

[docfire]

Just got off the phone with the company, the guy told me that the axels are not Bergs and he didn’t know if Berg part would interchange “axels shaft”. I asked if they will be selling just axel kits and he said possible in the future. I am in the process of having them send one to demo, if that happens I will post photo here.


Things I like:

• Pre clocked gear box
• High steer Steering knuckles mounted on the inside “more ground clearance 1/4 inch”,?? CVD’s must be smaller to accommodate the screws.
• Wheels

Things I didn’t like:

• Wide stance “steering Knuckles”
• High center of gravity
• No name electronics (Servo 170 oz.-in @ 6.0v) 540 motor UNK on turns?, ESC UNK?
• Cost $$$$ Way to much!

With the two ARTR kits starting at $399.99 for front steer only and the F&R steer kits are $459.99, thats a little pricy to just try out. The Unk electronics would be good for just bashing but not comp worthy at all, and it’s a $60.00 rear steer upgrade.
With the other Proven Kits out there the Berg $299.99, and the Bully ARTR (comp ready) $349.00 why would someone burn their money. If they dropped the price to 249.00 the RC market might bear it. It does look like they have addressed some of the nagging Burg issues, but it still need to be tested.

[Harley]

Originally Posted by docfire

Just got off the phone with the company, the guy told me that the axels are not Bergs and he didn’t know if Berg part would interchange “axels shaft”. I asked if they will be selling just axel kits and he said possible in the future. I am in the process of having them send one to demo, if that happens I will post photo here.


Things I like:

• Pre clocked gear box
• High steer Steering knuckles mounted on the inside “more ground clearance 1/4 inch”,?? CVD’s must be smaller to accommodate the screws.
• Wheels

Things I didn’t like:

• Wide stance “steering Knuckles”
• High center of gravity
• No name electronics (Servo 170 oz.-in @ 6.0v) 540 motor UNK on turns?, ESC UNK?
• Cost $$$$ Way to much!

With the two ARTR kits starting at $399.99 for front steer only and the F&R steer kits are $459.99, thats a little pricy to just try out. The Unk electronics would be good for just bashing but not comp worthy at all, and it’s a $60.00 rear steer upgrade.
With the other Proven Kits out there the Berg $299.99, and the Bully ARTR (comp ready) $349.00 why would someone burn their money. If they dropped the price to 249.00 the RC market might bear it. It does look like they have addressed some of the nagging Burg issues, but it still need to be tested.

It is the same manufacturer as the Berg axles. Just like NewAge and EnRoute, they are just branding it as their own. You can tell a ton of the similarites (or even the same parts (rear lockouts).

The "high steer" knuckles are barely "high steer" at all. That knuckle design isn't as good IMO. You can argue the ground clearance, but where ground clearance counts is in the center not tucked in/next to the wheel.

I can't personally confirm but I was told the gears were the same. Never got an anwser on the axle shafts but was told that they would be continuing support of the first gen parts even with the release of the new axles they were releasing.

[docfire]

Originally Posted by Harley0706

It is the same manufacturer as the Berg axles. Just like NewAge and EnRoute, they are just branding it as their own. You can tell a ton of the similarites (or even the same parts (rear lockouts).

The "high steer" knuckles are barely "high steer" at all. That knuckle design isn't as good IMO. You can argue the ground clearance, but where ground clearance counts is in the center not tucked in/next to the wheel.

I can't personally confirm but I was told the gears were the same. Never got an anwser on the axle shafts but was told that they would be continuing support of the first gen parts even with the release of the new axles they were releasing.

I havent seen the new Berg axels yet are they pre clocked?

I just got done sending them a email asking for a demo unit. If that happens ill post photos here.

[BigB_117]

Looks really wide.

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

Originally Posted by docfire

I havent seen the new Berg axels yet are they per clocked?



I just got done sending them a email asking for a demo unit. If that happens ill post photos here.

Uh-oh.......noobsuperman all over again.

[docfire]

Originally Posted by DISTURBIN' tha PEACE

Uh-oh.......noobsuperman all over again.

What? If this has been done Ill delete the mesage.

[Harley]

Originally Posted by docfire

What? If this has been done Ill delete the mesage.

The reference is to someone who is now banned on the boards that used to try and hit people up for free product. He wasn't.....let's say qualified in some peoples eyes to be someone that was reviewing products. You may have gotten this response to an assumed level of previous crawling knowledge based up on the lower number of previous tech posts.

And this has been your RCC history lesson of the day. Tomorrow's class will go over why bumpers must be removed....

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

Originally Posted by docfire

What? If this has been done Ill delete the mesage.

No, no. It's just a joke.

[docfire]

Originally Posted by Harley0706

The reference is to someone who is now banned on the boards that used to try and hit people up for free product. He wasn't.....let's say qualified in some peoples eyes to be someone that was reviewing products. You may have gotten this response to an assumed level of previous crawling knowledge based up on the lower number of previous tech posts.

And this has been your RCC history lesson of the day. Tomorrow's class will go over why bumpers must be removed....

Originally Posted by DISTURBIN' tha PEACE

No, no. It's just a joke.

Copy. I do a lot of reading here and not much posting. In my email to the company i didn't ask for a free item just a demo one I have way to may toys to deal with now. But thanks for the advice.

[Harley]

Originally Posted by docfire

Copy. I do a lot of reading here and not much posting. In my email to the company i didn't ask for a free item just a demo one I have way to may toys to deal with now. But thanks for the advice.

Don't worry man, I was being a smart ass and so was DTP

[MTHead]

Originally Posted by Harley0706

Don't worry man, I was being a smart ass and so was DTP

Nothing new there...

[KILLER KRAWLER]

no offense if anybody else likes that thing, but that thing looks fricken nasty to me.

[Rockcrawler]

Originally Posted by KILLER KRAWLER

no offense if anybody else likes that thing, but that thing looks fricken nasty to me.

It will be like the rest of the bergs.......axles will be the only thing used.

[antzx14]

in australia we had the gv gladiator/berg it locks like it is useing the gv Electronics upgraded axel tubes

[Harley]

Check this out guys:

Harley's "ARC" chassis build

[oldhippie]

I have to say; I am not impressed