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Old 04-29-2011, 03:16 PM   #1
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Default A little advise on HI knuckles and better steering please

I believe I have the 1st Gen. Enroute Berg axles.
There are so many different steering setups it makes my head spin

I like the Servo between the axle and the motor but how is that possible?

I want to upgrade to the Eric brass knuckle weights but need some help on what knuckles to buy. My HPI mesh wheels have big back spacing so the zero acker wont fit. and my wheels dont turn very far until they hit the links and shock.

What Axle width is popular these days?
Which Knuckles?

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Old 04-29-2011, 03:33 PM   #2
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What you want is 86Jeep steering. He pioneered the servo between the tube and motor.

The short and sweet version:

You have to machine a servo sized groove into the long tube, make a servo mount, mount the servo mount to the axle then drop the servo into the mount. you also have to drill new motor mount holes in the gear case, then make a tie rod with the right bends to make it all work!
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You are gonna need to invest in berg offset wheels first. Them upgrade the knuckles. Check with RC Bro's, I bet they will do the whole set up for ya.

http://cart.rcbros.com/product_info.php?products_id=251
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Hey DickeyT, do you know of anybody that does that tube work and remounting, if we were to send them our axles
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What you want is 86Jeep steering. He pioneered the servo between the tube and motor.

The short and sweet version:

You have to machine a servo sized groove into the long tube, make a servo mount, mount the servo mount to the axle then drop the servo into the mount. you also have to drill new motor mount holes in the gear case, then make a tie rod with the right bends to make it all work!
Wow I didn't think there was enough room to machine into the axle tube, but I guess along with moving the motor as well it works.
I think this is the best mod
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You are gonna need to invest in berg offset wheels first. Them upgrade the knuckles. Check with RC Bro's, I bet they will do the whole set up for ya.

http://cart.rcbros.com/product_info.php?products_id=251
the link had no item but I will look into it as I will ask Erik if those knuckles fit his knuckle weights. No biggie though I now have a mill in my garage. I almost want to make my own.
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Old 04-29-2011, 07:24 PM   #6
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Search for Clover Custom Design tubes from 66Bronco. Nice set up for weight savings and tons of steering



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And if you don't wanna spend the money on the 86 Jeep set up go with the RCInnovations OTA. Great price and they work awesome. I run that with Vanquish High clearance knuckles and my Berg has awesome steering and it even compares to the XR10's steering.


Also upgrading to Super300 CVD's will help you get more steering also.

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I do have the VP knuckles and the s300, but my issue is not having the tools to cut the tube to put the servo between the motor and tube, i have the 20* CDW steering right now but i like the servo arm location for the 86jeep steering better, my steering right now is just right it rubs the shock springs a bit but i would prefer the servo arm on top out or the way like the 86 setup
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I hear you, the 86 Jeep is great. I was just telling you to check out the RCInnovations OTA kits. it works awesome and you turn the servo around so it's completely out of the way also. Just a cheaper option that works just as good in my opinion and you don't have to modify your axle.
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There are many vendors here who offer the machining service to do the 86jeep mod.

Clover designs offers a great front tube housing and does the mod for 86jeep steering to boot
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Search for Clover Custom Design tubes from 66Bronco. Nice set up for weight savings and tons of steering
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And if you don't wanna spend the money on the 86 Jeep set up go with the RCInnovations OTA. Great price and they work awesome. I run that with Vanquish High clearance knuckles and my Berg has awesome steering and it even compares to the XR10's steering.


Also upgrading to Super300 CVD's will help you get more steering also.
Thank you for the names.
Awesome pics, thanks again
I just measured up how u guys stuff the servo in there, sure did get lucky on the tranny/motor mounting design.

Now, What wheel type back spacing should I be looking for? I am not going to spend an arm and a leg though, I'll make my own before I do that. UNder $60.
I really like CAC so I'll see if rpp has something.

Thanks guys

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Mental note 66bronco from Clover Custom Design will do a 86jeep set up with his axle tubes! Not the cheapest option but when you count unbelievalbe steering, big drops in weight, and just plain hot looking 66bronco is your guy.

One another note if your not looking to do tubes, BigRon I think is still doing 86jeep style steering set ups.

Either way you go there the work is very verry good and will end up far more precise than the hack saw and dremel mode! Trust me I tried it once It worked but without an endmill getting the groove cut from the tube and depending how deep you need to go can be a big job to tackle.
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Mental note 66bronco from Clover Custom Design will do a 86jeep set up with his axle tubes! Not the cheapest option but when you count unbelievalbe steering, big drops in weight, and just plain hot looking 66bronco is your guy.

One another note if your not looking to do tubes, BigRon I think is still doing 86jeep style steering set ups.

Either way you go there the work is very verry good and will end up far more precise than the hack saw and dremel mode! Trust me I tried it once It worked but without an endmill getting the groove cut from the tube and depending how deep you need to go can be a big job to tackle.
Cool thanks Wartrader
It does look killer. Wonder why it wasnt done originaly.
Good thing I have a milling Machine! !going to drill my gears too
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Mental note 66bronco from Clover Custom Design will do a 86jeep set up with his axle tubes! Not the cheapest option but when you count unbelievalbe steering, big drops in weight, and just plain hot looking 66bronco is your guy.
Wartrader are you saying the 66Bronco is Hot Looking?
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