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Deezul · 11-02-2009, 10:38 AM

Nobody I talk to can answer this other than.........because thats the rules...........if dig is so popular, why can't we run 4ws? Is it some unfair advantage? Not a big deal just sorta seems pointless to not allow it.

hdgracing · 11-02-2009, 11:14 AM

Here in Holland we are working with dig and 4ws in one class and sometimes 4ws is better and sometimes dig is better.Cant say that 4ws is a big advance to dig.We where thinking the same way as you did and decided to chanche the rules in a 2.2 normal class no dig no 4ws and no moa.And a 2.2 comp class dig,4ws and moa allowed.

oldhippie · 11-02-2009, 11:52 AM

Just run a super if ya want to compete with dig and rws.

TattooKenny · 11-02-2009, 12:00 PM

Run Super class if you want both! Do a search, there are many threads on this question with answers from the rules committee! The rules are just fine how they are for the classes!

joesbruiser · 11-02-2009, 12:32 PM

I am pretty sure the reason for no rear steer in 2.2 was to make it more of a drivers class.Once you add rear steer combined with dig it is a whole different playing field.The things that can be done with a Stick radio twin esc's and rear steer is mind blowing.

Super is the class for a rig setup like this.

JeremyH · 11-02-2009, 01:19 PM

The rules originally said nothing about dig....but excluded 4WS to make it more competitive. IIRC, miniwheeler first created a driveshaft disconnect and it wasnt against the rules, so it was allowed. Now, it's just a way of life!

robbio4422 · 11-02-2009, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeremyH

The rules originally said nothing about dig....but excluded 4WS to make it more competitive. IIRC, miniwheeler first created a driveshaft disconnect and it wasnt against the rules, so it was allowed. Now, it's just a way of life!

pretty much on the nose... 4ws was outlawed before dig was around... there where no rules that stated you had to stay in 4wd so why not lock the rear (or front) to help with those tight corners or downhills.

with front and rear dig. u should be golden

JeremyH · 11-02-2009, 02:23 PM

Yep, here was his build:
comp style tlt (GROUNDER) with front digg
Beginning of 2006....

Deezul · 11-02-2009, 03:15 PM

sorry i didnt mean both............like just 4ws OR dig.............I cant think of a reason to outlaw that

47willysbuggy · 11-02-2009, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deezul

sorry i didnt mean both............like just 4ws OR dig.............I cant think of a reason to outlaw that

Here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeremyH

The rules originally said nothing about dig....but excluded 4WS to make it more competitive. IIRC, miniwheeler first created a driveshaft disconnect and it wasnt against the rules, so it was allowed. Now, it's just a way of life!

Quote:

Originally Posted by joesbruiser

I am pretty sure the reason for no rear steer in 2.2 was to make it more of a drivers class.Once you add rear steer combined with dig it is a whole different playing field.The things that can be done with a Stick radio twin esc's and rear steer is mind blowing.

Super is the class for a rig setup like this.

Deezul · 11-02-2009, 07:50 PM

now that dig is here.........why dont they just allow 4ws, is it that hard to ammend the rules?. It seems old and archaic to keep no 4ws just because. I see now why dig was permitted as it didnt involve 4ws...........I don't know I just figure it would open things up,,,,,,,

spgrading · 11-07-2009, 03:08 PM

this may sound crazy but i'm planning on running a dig and no rear steer on my super, i think a good enough driver can do the same on a course without rear steer, and i dont like those damn stick crawlers sim to cheaty with out cheating

joesbruiser · 11-07-2009, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spgrading

this may sound crazy but i'm planning on running a dig and no rear steer on my super, i think a good enough driver can do the same on a course without rear steer, and i dont like those damn stick crawlers sim to cheaty with out cheating

I do not see that.I do not care how good of a driver you are you are not going to get around a course with just dig on a Super as someone that knows what they are doing with independent control of the front and rear motors and steering on both axles.

Tanis · 11-07-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Deezul

Nobody I talk to can answer this other than.........because thats the rules...........if dig is so popular, why can't we run 4ws? Is it some unfair advantage? Not a big deal just sorta seems pointless to not allow it.

If you add rearsteer to the 2.2 class, then what distinguishes it from the superclass? The rule was made back in the day to help separate the 2 classes, and make it more of a stock/budget/drivers class. Now with all the advancement the sport has made in the last few years, it doesn't seem like that when you look at it now, since most 2.2's cost as much as a super, and are a LOT more capable than they used to be.

spgrading · 11-07-2009, 06:16 PM

i'm also a newbie so......

i think its the 16 chs you need to do that

joesbruiser · 11-07-2009, 06:21 PM

Only 4

IDnewcrwlr · 11-07-2009, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeremyH

Yep, here was his build:
comp style tlt (GROUNDER) with front digg
Beginning of 2006....

sorry for being a bit off topic. BUT i think its so cool to look back at the beginning of rc crawlin' and see how far it has come over the short few years.

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JeremyH · 11-07-2009, 06:53 PM

Yep....Agreed. I built my first crawler well before that build thread was started. That truck wasnt NEARLY as capable as any of the rigs in my collection these days....

spgrading · 11-07-2009, 07:14 PM

ok do you believe a rtr non comp can be comp worthy,
basically i want to upgrade everything but keep my chassis

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l1...crawler004.jpg

trailduster79 · 11-07-2009, 07:46 PM

so much for it being a budget class......I don't see where it would hurt to allow dig or 4ws, but definitely not both.

Personally, I am not a fan of 4ws on anything other than a super, but that is just me.

11-02-2009, 10:38 AM	#1
Deezul RCC Addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ccxc Posts: 1,176	So if dig is allowed..... Nobody I talk to can answer this other than.........because thats the rules...........if dig is so popular, why can't we run 4ws? Is it some unfair advantage? Not a big deal just sorta seems pointless to not allow it.

11-02-2009, 11:14 AM	#2
hdgracing Newbie Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: holland Posts: 14	Here in Holland we are working with dig and 4ws in one class and sometimes 4ws is better and sometimes dig is better.Cant say that 4ws is a big advance to dig.We where thinking the same way as you did and decided to chanche the rules in a 2.2 normal class no dig no 4ws and no moa.And a 2.2 comp class dig,4ws and moa allowed.

11-02-2009, 11:52 AM	#3
oldhippie I wanna be Dave Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: 20 miles southeeast of downtown Sacramento Posts: 2,373	Just run a super if ya want to compete with dig and rws.

11-02-2009, 12:00 PM	#4
TattooKenny Who's your Daddy-0! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Augusta Posts: 5,009	Run Super class if you want both! Do a search, there are many threads on this question with answers from the rules committee! The rules are just fine how they are for the classes!

11-02-2009, 12:32 PM	#5
joesbruiser I wanna be Dave Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: spring hill TN Posts: 2,959	I am pretty sure the reason for no rear steer in 2.2 was to make it more of a drivers class.Once you add rear steer combined with dig it is a whole different playing field.The things that can be done with a Stick radio twin esc's and rear steer is mind blowing. Super is the class for a rig setup like this.

11-02-2009, 01:19 PM	#6
JeremyH I wanna be Dave Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 16,952	The rules originally said nothing about dig....but excluded 4WS to make it more competitive. IIRC, miniwheeler first created a driveshaft disconnect and it wasnt against the rules, so it was allowed. Now, it's just a way of life!

11-02-2009, 02:23 PM	#8
JeremyH I wanna be Dave Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 16,952	Yep, here was his build: comp style tlt (GROUNDER) with front digg Beginning of 2006....

11-02-2009, 03:15 PM	#9
Deezul RCC Addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ccxc Posts: 1,176	sorry i didnt mean both............like just 4ws OR dig.............I cant think of a reason to outlaw that

11-02-2009, 07:50 PM	#11
Deezul RCC Addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ccxc Posts: 1,176	now that dig is here.........why dont they just allow 4ws, is it that hard to ammend the rules?. It seems old and archaic to keep no 4ws just because. I see now why dig was permitted as it didnt involve 4ws...........I don't know I just figure it would open things up,,,,,,,

11-07-2009, 03:08 PM	#12
spgrading Pebble Pounder Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: lakeside Posts: 110	this may sound crazy but i'm planning on running a dig and no rear steer on my super, i think a good enough driver can do the same on a course without rear steer, and i dont like those damn stick crawlers sim to cheaty with out cheating

11-07-2009, 06:16 PM	#15
spgrading Pebble Pounder Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: lakeside Posts: 110	i'm also a newbie so...... i think its the 16 chs you need to do that

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11-07-2009, 06:21 PM	#16
joesbruiser I wanna be Dave Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: spring hill TN Posts: 2,959	Only 4

11-07-2009, 06:53 PM	#18
JeremyH I wanna be Dave Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 16,952	Yep....Agreed. I built my first crawler well before that build thread was started. That truck wasnt NEARLY as capable as any of the rigs in my collection these days....

11-07-2009, 07:14 PM	#19
spgrading Pebble Pounder Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: lakeside Posts: 110	ok do you believe a rtr non comp can be comp worthy, basically i want to upgrade everything but keep my chassis http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l1...crawler004.jpg

11-07-2009, 07:46 PM	#20
trailduster79 Rock Crawler Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Windsor, VA Posts: 573	so much for it being a budget class......I don't see where it would hurt to allow dig or 4ws, but definitely not both. Personally, I am not a fan of 4ws on anything other than a super, but that is just me.

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