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MikeyBike · 07-06-2010, 08:42 PM

I just ordered a set of Bully Axles and I supose it would have beem better to start this thread before I ordered them but I want to hear some opinions. Which axles do you prefer, the RC4WD Bully Lites or the Berg V2?

TexasSP · 07-07-2010, 08:17 AM

They are both good axles. Plenty of bully guys beat berg guys and vise versa. Since you already have them don't sweat it. Build your rig and hit the rocks. The guy with the bully axles that gets lots of practice will beat the guy with the fully built berg that doesn't practice every single time.

oldhippie · 07-07-2010, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeyBike

I just ordered a set of Bully Axles and I supose it would have beem better to start this thread before I ordered them but I want to hear some opinions. Which axles do you prefer, the RC4WD Bully Lites or the Berg V2?

I love it when folks ask what to get after they get something.

There are a few threads berg vs bully that have been beat to death. I run HRs so don't have a dog in the fight. All I know is all the guys around here that jumped on the bully wagon are running bergs now and I don't know of any bullys in the top ten anywhere around here.

But bullys seem to be strong and cheap.

MikeyBike · 07-07-2010, 06:14 PM

Yea, I was a bit late thinking about putting up a post asking everyone what they prefer! Lol, Oh well, I have a buddy with the Bergs so I wanted to try something a bit different. I need to fight my way back to the middle of the pile s oat least a MOA "might" help.

Neutron · 07-08-2010, 09:13 AM

I have been looking into the bully vs berg axles as I'm getting a workout being the only sportsman rig in the comp class at the club I crawl with. So what little I have come up with is.
The bullys are pretty much built proof out of the box and arguably cheeper to "build up". The down side is they tend to be a bit heaver, can't be made to turn quite as sharp, and most of the aftermarket chassis are not set up for the link separation on the bullys. I guess the cases are bigger on the bullys. Parts can only be purchased from rc4wd.

The bergs are more expensive to buy and build. They are lighter and smaller tho. Parts can be had at hobby stores usually, and the biggest advantage is there are a lot more people running the bergs. It is easier it copy a berg platform that works instead of the typical trial and error of a bully platform.

Just what I have come up with on this sight. Feel free to add anything as I am still learning too.

JeremyH · 07-08-2010, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Neutron

can't be made to turn quite as sharp, and most of the aftermarket chassis are not set up for the link separation on the bullys

Actually, the new CVDs have tons of steering....and yes, the cases are bigger, but the link setup can be done perfectly. I run a Beelejuice V3 chassis on my Bully and I have had no troubles so far...

JesterSpec · 07-08-2010, 09:50 AM

In amature here there are bullys in the top ten, and in pro class here, the bullys are very good.

Drive the rig, and get practice so you know your rig.

Use what you have and compete, you'll be surprised, there are people with both bullys and bergs that cant drive.

crash · 07-08-2010, 09:59 AM

Both are good. The one and only thing I can tell between the 2--the bergs are quieter

But I still prefer the bully's since you can bolt them up and go with zero internal upgrades.

Neutron · 07-08-2010, 10:02 AM

I agree with Jester and JeremyH. Learning to drive your rig is key, no matter what you have. I just listed what I read here on the forum for pros and cons. I am leaning toward a set of bullys my self. The difference in steering from what I gathered is just a few degrees. Not and issue with most but I just stated the facts as I read them. I really can tell no major difference between the two that makes one dominate over the other. The differences are subtle and really a matter of choice. I don't think one is really BETTER than the other. Thanks for the info guys. Still learning....

MikeyBike · 07-08-2010, 06:36 PM

The new V6 XVD's have almost 50 degree of steering, that is a ton! I have the Bully Lites on order so I hop they are good. A friend that has the Bergs mentioned that they are very heavy so I guess I will learn as I go. I see lots of menion of the 53 willy's mod to both axles to drop the servo down low and I plan on that mod already. I am going to have to run my existing chassis for a bit till I can afford a Beetlyjuice for it, or possible a JP Customs chassis. Not really sure what way to go yet. Any suggestions on motors? I am VERY interested in the Holmes Hobbies motors so far.

jcboof · 07-08-2010, 06:42 PM

any of the Handwound motors from the Vendors here are good. Rumor has it that a lot of them are made by the same manufacturer.
Holmes, JP, Fantom, Banzai, Brood, JPH, and Tekin handwounds are all good motors.

JeremyH · 07-08-2010, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jcboof

Rumor has it that a lot of them are made by the same manufacturer....Fantom...and Tekin handwounds...

Yep, those two are made by Fantom.

jcboof · 07-08-2010, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyH

Yep, those two are made by Fantom.

and a couple more too

JeremyH · 07-08-2010, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jcboof

and a couple more too

I wouldnt doubt it.....but the ones that I listed above are not only made at the same place....they are the same motor.

jcboof · 07-08-2010, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyH

I wouldnt doubt it.....but the ones that I listed above are not only made at the same place....they are the same motor.

Yup, you are correct sir!

Tekin Handwounds are Fantom Blitz motors. JP and Holmes might also come from Fantom. I'm not positive on that but its been rumored. They make one HELL of a good motor.

Either way. Any of those motors would do the job.

JeremyH · 07-08-2010, 08:20 PM

Yeah....the guy at Fantom has told me that he sends his Blitzs to Tekin...not sure about the others though....

jcboof · 07-08-2010, 08:26 PM

He told me the same thing about a month ago too!! Must have been the same guy! Giving away trade secrets and such, he should be fired!! LOL!!!!

crash · 07-08-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyH

Yeah....the guy at Fantom has told me that he sends his Blitzs to Tekin...not sure about the others though....

The brush configuration on the blitz's motors are different than the HH and JR's.

Neutron · 07-08-2010, 10:27 PM

I will be trying out the bullys myself as well. I run the teen brOOd motor in my shafty now and love it. Will be goin to eddieO for a matching second motor for the bullys. Rumor has it eddieO does JP motors. Cant prove it, just a rumor I heard.

07-06-2010, 08:42 PM	#1
MikeyBike Quarry Creeper Join Date: May 2008 Location: Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada Posts: 294	Berg or Bully I just ordered a set of Bully Axles and I supose it would have beem better to start this thread before I ordered them but I want to hear some opinions. Which axles do you prefer, the RC4WD Bully Lites or the Berg V2?

07-07-2010, 08:17 AM	#2
TexasSP RCC Addict Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Tyler, TX Posts: 1,619	They are both good axles. Plenty of bully guys beat berg guys and vise versa. Since you already have them don't sweat it. Build your rig and hit the rocks. The guy with the bully axles that gets lots of practice will beat the guy with the fully built berg that doesn't practice every single time.

07-07-2010, 06:14 PM	#4
MikeyBike Quarry Creeper Join Date: May 2008 Location: Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada Posts: 294	Yea, I was a bit late thinking about putting up a post asking everyone what they prefer! Lol, Oh well, I have a buddy with the Bergs so I wanted to try something a bit different. I need to fight my way back to the middle of the pile s oat least a MOA "might" help.

07-08-2010, 09:13 AM	#5
Neutron Rock Stacker Join Date: May 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 87	I have been looking into the bully vs berg axles as I'm getting a workout being the only sportsman rig in the comp class at the club I crawl with. So what little I have come up with is. The bullys are pretty much built proof out of the box and arguably cheeper to "build up". The down side is they tend to be a bit heaver, can't be made to turn quite as sharp, and most of the aftermarket chassis are not set up for the link separation on the bullys. I guess the cases are bigger on the bullys. Parts can only be purchased from rc4wd. The bergs are more expensive to buy and build. They are lighter and smaller tho. Parts can be had at hobby stores usually, and the biggest advantage is there are a lot more people running the bergs. It is easier it copy a berg platform that works instead of the typical trial and error of a bully platform. Just what I have come up with on this sight. Feel free to add anything as I am still learning too.

07-08-2010, 09:50 AM	#7
JesterSpec RCC Addict Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: New Wilmington, PA Posts: 1,234	In amature here there are bullys in the top ten, and in pro class here, the bullys are very good. Drive the rig, and get practice so you know your rig. Use what you have and compete, you'll be surprised, there are people with both bullys and bergs that cant drive.

07-08-2010, 09:59 AM	#8
crash I wanna be Dave Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Gold Bar Posts: 2,832	Both are good. The one and only thing I can tell between the 2--the bergs are quieter But I still prefer the bully's since you can bolt them up and go with zero internal upgrades.

07-08-2010, 10:02 AM	#9
Neutron Rock Stacker Join Date: May 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 87	I agree with Jester and JeremyH. Learning to drive your rig is key, no matter what you have. I just listed what I read here on the forum for pros and cons. I am leaning toward a set of bullys my self. The difference in steering from what I gathered is just a few degrees. Not and issue with most but I just stated the facts as I read them. I really can tell no major difference between the two that makes one dominate over the other. The differences are subtle and really a matter of choice. I don't think one is really BETTER than the other. Thanks for the info guys. Still learning....

07-08-2010, 06:36 PM	#10
MikeyBike Quarry Creeper Join Date: May 2008 Location: Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada Posts: 294	The new V6 XVD's have almost 50 degree of steering, that is a ton! I have the Bully Lites on order so I hop they are good. A friend that has the Bergs mentioned that they are very heavy so I guess I will learn as I go. I see lots of menion of the 53 willy's mod to both axles to drop the servo down low and I plan on that mod already. I am going to have to run my existing chassis for a bit till I can afford a Beetlyjuice for it, or possible a JP Customs chassis. Not really sure what way to go yet. Any suggestions on motors? I am VERY interested in the Holmes Hobbies motors so far.

07-08-2010, 06:42 PM	#11
jcboof I wanna be Dave Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: I miss Rowdy Posts: 2,238	any of the Handwound motors from the Vendors here are good. Rumor has it that a lot of them are made by the same manufacturer. Holmes, JP, Fantom, Banzai, Brood, JPH, and Tekin handwounds are all good motors.

07-08-2010, 08:20 PM	#16
JeremyH I wanna be Dave Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 16,952	Yeah....the guy at Fantom has told me that he sends his Blitzs to Tekin...not sure about the others though....

07-08-2010, 08:26 PM	#17
jcboof I wanna be Dave Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: I miss Rowdy Posts: 2,238	He told me the same thing about a month ago too!! Must have been the same guy! Giving away trade secrets and such, he should be fired!! LOL!!!!

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07-08-2010, 10:27 PM	#19
Neutron Rock Stacker Join Date: May 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 87	I will be trying out the bullys myself as well. I run the teen brOOd motor in my shafty now and love it. Will be goin to eddieO for a matching second motor for the bullys. Rumor has it eddieO does JP motors. Cant prove it, just a rumor I heard.

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