k.o.h. style racing

[buggy]

a bunch of us here in tennessee are about to attend the 25th annual dixie run. info here dixie run 25 . with the the growing interest in rc crawling in the 1:1 crawling world we have decided to do a k.o.h. style race this year. a few of us went and set up the course yesterday and figure we will be getting anywhere between 3 to 5 min times. i think we are also going to make it a 2 lap run so the times will double. now with all that being said, has anyone ever done anything like this before? the only one i can think of is the king of the compound run done a couple years ago. i am looking for advice on anything that anyone can think of to make this more interesting and challenging, or any problems that anyone can think of that i might need to go ahead and take care of. i know there are a lot of details i have left out but im just trying to keep this race as close to how the original k.o.h. race is run. no wheel base limits, no back up penalties, no dig penalties, no rear steer penalties. if you can dream it up, build it and it has drive shafts, your good to go. fastest from point a. to point b. is the winner no second place.

rules i can think of,

1. Shaftys and MOA allowed! Run anything!

2. if your truck rolls over you can only roll it back over onto it's wheels, no exceptions.

3. if you go outside the boundary line you are disqualified. no questions asked. ( the boundary lines will not be so close that it will be a problem, unless someone drives completely out of it to try to take a "short cut" that will not be tolerated.

4. prerunning will be allowed for an amount (30min?d) of time before the time trials starts. And if you find an obstacle that your rig JUST WILL NOT DO, we can look at re-stacking it, If you find something during the race that your rig won't go up, then WINCH IT!, no winch you say?? well your SOL then!

5. Don’t be a PUSS! At least try to be scale (I will make fun of your scaler if it has rovers on it, ) EVEN THOUGH ITS LEGAL!!! At least try to look like a vehicle, but if it don't we'll just rib you about it.

6. If someone has a stupid fast rig and kicks your butt every week on time? Solution: Don't be lazy and help set up the courses. Technical stuff tends to slow rigs down, duh! Or next time come back with something faster!!

7. If watch fails during a run a restart is in order. And you get to kick the time keeper!

8. the reason there will not be separate classes is because anyone who wants to step up can and i don't think there are many supers running around with drive shafts anymore. i hope that changes with the help of www.supershafty.com i have one and may race it we will have to see.

9. you can run as many rigs as you want, but the same rig will not be raced twice. say you run it and then you want to let your friend run it, that is a no go. or you can let your friend run it but then you cant run it. the winnings will go to the driver of the rig, regardless of who owns the truck. to keep this from being a problem, all competing trucks will be lined up together on a table and starting numbers will be handed out as there are drawn from a jar, from my 3 year old!

10. if you break and need to repair your rig you may do so, but the clock will not stop. you can d.q. your self at any time. a max time will be set for the race.

11. times will not be given out until everyone has completed the race, don't ask. that way everyone will be anticipating the winner.


if you can think of something that could help me out or you have more questions about the race post up

it would be cool if this got up and going and became a series.


these are some of the videos that have been found of what im talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av33HAELoeU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCqqL5zxoQI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7xS_35xfkU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=M98iHDheTkM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApoIwaqe3nI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=W3WpH8C9qnM


i will have videos of our rock race even if i have to take them with my cell phone!

[country_crawler]

What will the Winner get? Money, Prizes?

Maybe having a 2 classes. I dont think KOH does it but with all the rules and reg's that the Hammers have theres really no since in it as far as I can see. Maybe a Pro class, and a Novice class. The guys with the "slower" Crawlers (losi's, ax10's) can enter in and have a fighting battle. Because with your blower buggy your FJ or the Bronco rigs like that they really don't have much of a chance. Pro class be for rigs like your blower buggy, your FJ, and my bronco. Full hill killin' southern buggies, rear steered, and high horsepowered. The Crowd gets a show while watching Pro class and watching parts go flyin' through the air. Thats all I can really think of.

[Erin]

Maybe make your "track" bigger if possible or more laps. Even half one way and reverse second half.

KOH is as much a race of attrition as anything.

Two classes would probably draw more competitors too.

[buggy]

Originally Posted by country_crawler

What will the Winner get? Money, Prizes?

Maybe having a 2 classes. I dont think KOH does it but with all the rules and reg's that the Hammers have theres really no since in it as far as I can see. Maybe a Pro class, and a Novice class. The guys with the "slower" Crawlers (losi's, ax10's) can enter in and have a fighting battle. Because with your blower buggy your FJ or the Bronco rigs like that they really don't have much of a chance. Pro class be for rigs like your blower buggy, your FJ, and my bronco. Full hill killin' southern buggies, rear steered, and high horsepowered. The Crowd gets a show while watching Pro class and watching parts go flyin' through the air. Thats all I can really think of.

its funny you mention the difference in say a stock ax-10 and my blower buggy, i drove them both on the course to get a idea of times, but first let me give you some specs on both rigs , nicks wraith - 17t pinion, 86t spur, 45 turn integy motor 3s lipo. just like many have built ax-10's for years. now my blower buggy - pinion 13t pinion (32p so it looks like about a 20t 48p pinion) and a 62t spur (which is also a lot bigger than the 86t 48p spur) 2000kv tekin t8/rx8 combo, and 6s. with me driving both of them i got about a 4 min. time with my blower buggy and i got 3min. 30sec. with the wraith. so before you start thinking someone has an advantage, think twice. that's whats so cool about this kind of racing, there is a disadvantage and a advantage for everyone. the best part is when you get done with your race i guarantee you will be out of breath! there is a lot of running involved and then you have to slow back down again to do technical crawling. hell when i was running mine i couldn't keep up with it. i had to stop it so i could catch up. so yeah having horse power on this course don't mean sh!t. just like koh.

[TBItoy]

Originally Posted by country_crawler

What will the Winner get? Money, Prizes?

Maybe having a 2 classes. I dont think KOH does it but with all the rules and reg's that the Hammers have theres really no since in it as far as I can see. Maybe a Pro class, and a Novice class. The guys with the "slower" Crawlers (losi's, ax10's) can enter in and have a fighting battle. Because with your blower buggy your FJ or the Bronco rigs like that they really don't have much of a chance. Pro class be for rigs like your blower buggy, your FJ, and my bronco. Full hill killin' southern buggies, rear steered, and high horsepowered. The Crowd gets a show while watching Pro class and watching parts go flyin' through the air. Thats all I can really think of.

A high top speed really isn't much of an advantage, because you have to keep up with your truck from section to section.

It's kind of an "athletic" competition also, especially if you have an ill handling truck and flip it over when you are a long way from it.

Think moderate rock crawling sections with 20 yard dashes in between, plus some easy rock crawling thrown in to keep you on your toes.

Oh, and if you flip over a time or two (common and likely) or you don't hit every rock section flawlessly, then a guy with a truck thats top speed is about a "jog" could beat you, very easily.

Funny you mention "parts flying", Gabe hit a post dead on the blower buggy at almost full throttle and ripped a bunch of links out of it... at the finish line. So DNF!

[buggy]

Originally Posted by Erin

Maybe make your "track" bigger if possible or more laps. Even half one way and reverse second half.

KOH is as much a race of attrition as anything.

Two classes would probably draw more competitors too.

we looked at making it bigger but this is about all we have to work with at this location. and i don't think a 2.2 has an advantage over a 1.9 in racing like this. again just like koh, guys run tires ranging from 37's all the way up to 54's and wheel sizes from 15 inch up to 20 inch.

[TBItoy]

Originally Posted by Erin

Maybe make your "track" bigger if possible or more laps. Even half one way and reverse second half.

KOH is as much a race of attrition as anything.

Two classes would probably draw more competitors too.

The track is pretty big, especially for fat kids like us that aren't used to running after our trucks in a "race" scenerio.

We toyed with running sections in both directions, but it becomes a chore to make a rock section "doable" both ways.

We figured if it was doable with a stock wraith, then no one would complain about a section being "impassable". We specifically avoided "wheelbase" climbs that are solely determined by breakover angle.

Honestly I dont think two classes would work, judging by the time posted by 3 different drivers, each driving different rigs on the preliminary course. There isn't really anyone thing that gives a distinct advantage (speed/crawling/4ws/etc) it was all about flawless driving. Because if you flip, or get bound up (not really a possiblity if you stay on course), then its up to you to get your crawler back on its feet.

EDIT: I don't want this to just look like me and buggy defending what we've done, but you really have to see the type event to understand it I guess.

It can turn into a foot race real quick if you flip over and your truck is 20-30 feet from you.( I did it, several times, and it KILLS your e.t. when you have to run down a rock garden to flip your truck)

Most all of the "obstacles" are laid out wide open, sometimes with multiple lines, so it's up to the driver to pick what is best for their truck. A rig you can drive confidently from 10 ft away and not flip is key to winning a race like this I believe.

AND its not on a "track" like short course racing where you watch your truck from one spot, or like a crawling comp where you are right on top of your truck.


It is possible that people won't like it because of the running (athleticism LOL) involved, but I think it makes it much more exciting. Makes you re-focus from high speed driving to crawling to high speed etc etc.

[buggy]

i think what most don't realize is this is not like any kind of racing or comping that has been done in the past. so take everything you know about classes and comping and toss it out the window, it is a whole new animal and it cant be compared to anything else. so that's why i think there shouldn't be different classes, because you take a big truck with a big motor and in the open sections he's gone, then when he comes to a section that is narrow he is screwed and all that time he made up is gone. where the smaller truck may not sound bad @$$ going through those open sections but he can slip right through those tight sections. just remember, again, like koh, there are some sections where you can haul @$$ and there are sections where your in double low crawling. courses like this have equalizers all over it that keeps one truck from having an advantage over another, regardless of tire and wheel size.

[k20man]

ok whach this vic this is just and idea how they race can star, because like you say before you are runnin with your rig just like rc rally

I think this may help jus to get like and Idea !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCfyy...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwuev...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6aiw...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhCLz...eature=related

[TBItoy]

Originally Posted by k20man

ok whach this vic this is just and idea how they race can star, because like you say before you are runnin with your rig just like rc rally

I think this may help jus to get like and Idea !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCfyy...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwuev...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6aiw...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhCLz...eature=related

Yes! its a lot like that. Thanks, that gives some good ideas on stuff for the high speed stuff. For this first course, we want to keep the high speed parts relatively wide open, since you have to do technical crawling. We're thinking about some "jump or crawl" sections, where you could chose to jump over an easy (small rocks) section, or play it safe and bounce through it.

R/C rally looks awesome!

[Del Monte]

Here's a clip from the first King of the Compound in 2009... fun stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av33HAELoeU

The Recon G6 events are pretty similar to this type of racing. Its a blast when you get 4-5 fast rigs together on course

[buggy]

Originally Posted by Del Monte

Here's a clip from the first King of the Compound in 2009... fun stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av33HAELoeU

The Recon G6 events are pretty similar to this type of racing. Its a blast when you get 4-5 fast rigs together on course

it looks like a lot of fun!

[buggy]

another king of the compound video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7xS_35xfkU

[k20man]

Originally Posted by Del Monte

Here's a clip from the first King of the Compound in 2009... fun stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av33HAELoeU

The Recon G6 events are pretty similar to this type of racing. Its a blast when you get 4-5 fast rigs together on course

yes but in G6 is rules like not dig and 4wheel st I think corret me if I am wrong !!

[k20man]

Originally Posted by buggy

another king of the compound video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7xS_35xfkU

this king of you want !!!! nice look like a lot of fun, a lot of us need to get in better shape to run this lol !!!

[buggy]

Originally Posted by k20man

ok whach this vic this is just and idea how they race can star, because like you say before you are runnin with your rig just like rc rally

I think this may help jus to get like and Idea !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCfyy...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwuev...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6aiw...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhCLz...eature=related

rc rally is bad @ss

[buggy]

Originally Posted by k20man

this king of you want !!!! nice look like a lot of fun, a lot of us need to get in better shape to run this lol !!!

i'll second that, i ran so much the ofher day my shins were hurting!

[k20man]

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[k20man]

sorry that before dind work so here link

http://www.carlife.net/bbs/board.php...rts&wr_id=1869

[k20man]

I found some rock racing look

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApoIwaqe3nI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=W3WpH8C9qnM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH-16DbyfGI