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BeeRC 09-27-2007 11:46 AM

Holmes Hobbies Cobalt Brushed Motor
 
So, Raptor57, it sounds like you REALLY like your 5 turn Cobalt in your 12 pound super. When you say the 10 turn version would have been better in it, do you mean because it would run cooler, stronger, or....?? Was it actually faster on 8 cells than your 3025-8 on 10 cells?

How did you set up your rig for 120:1? (I assume its your Twin Force axled super with the TF tranny.) How else do the two motors stack up against each other? Would you say you actually prefer the Cobalt in your super?

Any idea how run times compare if using the same cells, or have you compared that?

Dumptruck 09-27-2007 10:55 PM

I saw someone asked earlier but i didnt see an answer. How is amp draw / runtime on these? And the open end might be good for my scaler, dirt/mud/sand could flow in but also out easily. And what about replacement brushes?

tsaun987 09-28-2007 03:32 PM

Got it all mounted up in my ax-10. Fits in there like a glove!
Im using a mamba max w/ the cobalt puller, and it acts like a supercharged novak goat system.

I definitely need new gearing with this. Maybe an r2 would be good for it. With the stock ax-10 gearing, it has insane wheelspeed. Plenty of low end torque though

I'll post up some video of the mamba/cobalt tonight

JohnRobHolmes 09-28-2007 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dumptruck (Post 863451)
I saw someone asked earlier but i didnt see an answer. How is amp draw / runtime on these? And the open end might be good for my scaler, dirt/mud/sand could flow in but also out easily. And what about replacement brushes?

Runtime depends on your trigger finger. I can get an hour in my 2.2 with a 2100 3 cell lipo. If I am heavy on the throttle I could whittle that down to 20 minutes I am sure.

As for replacement brushes, I am working on that. They are not available at this time.

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Originally Posted by tsaun987 (Post 864350)
Got it all mounted up in my ax-10. Fits in there like a glove!
Im using a mamba max w/ the cobalt puller, and it acts like a supercharged novak goat system.

I definitely need new gearing with this. Maybe an r2 would be good for it. With the stock ax-10 gearing, it has insane wheelspeed. Plenty of low end torque though

I'll post up some video of the mamba/cobalt tonight


What voltage are you using, and which turn?

Reflection 09-28-2007 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BeeRC (Post 862592)
So, Raptor57, it sounds like you REALLY like your 5 turn Cobalt in your 12 pound super. When you say the 10 turn version would have been better in it, do you mean because it would run cooler, stronger, or....?? Was it actually faster on 8 cells than your 3025-8 on 10 cells?

Yes,I REALLY like the Cobalt motor. Because of the higher turns,just like any brushed motor,the 10 turn should have lower amp draw and higher torque rating. In turn,it should run cooler if the gearing and cell count is left alone. Yes,the 5 turn was a touch faster than my 3025-8.....even with twice the gear:lol: 120:1 on the Cobalt and 60:1 on my Hyperion and the Cobalt was still faster:lol::lol:Even with more cells on the Hyperion. Not much faster but it was faster.

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Originally Posted by BeeRC (Post 862592)
How did you set up your rig for 120:1? (I assume its your Twin Force axled super with the TF tranny.) How else do the two motors stack up against each other? Would you say you actually prefer the Cobalt in your super?

Yes,it's in my super. I got 120:1 through a GD600. They are both a haws but the 3025-8 will overpower the Cobalt easily. The cobalt has the upperhand though with the smooth throttle response and higher wheel speed on lower cell count(less weight). Which do I prefer???????? Hard to say,they are both VERY good motors.


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Originally Posted by BeeRC (Post 862592)
Any idea how run times compare if using the same cells, or have you compared that?

Can't run the 5 turn on 10 cells.......if you want it to last a while:lol: My outrunner will get longer run times. The efficiency of brushless motors will generally be allot better for run times anyway. Gearing,driving style and everything else plays a huge part in it.

tsaun987 09-28-2007 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by johnrobholmes (Post 864404)
Runtime depends on your trigger finger. I can get an hour in my 2.2 with a 2100 3 cell lipo. If I am heavy on the throttle I could whittle that down to 20 minutes I am sure.

As for replacement brushes, I am working on that. They are not available at this time.




What voltage are you using, and which turn?

10turn
9.6v (elite 1500's)
Stock ax-10 gearing (14t & 87t)
Maybe the wheelspeed is a little bit faster or just the same as the goat. It's kinda hard to tell but...
This thing is AWESOME JRH!!! The low speed control is amazing with the Cobalt Puller 10t!!!
Once again, excellent job man"thumbsup"
-Tyler

Thorsteenster 09-28-2007 06:36 PM

Are these going to be a regular thing or a limited run?

JohnRobHolmes 09-28-2007 06:56 PM

THIS is a limited run. I am working on finding a factory to produce these for me on a long term basis, there are few brushed motor factories left in the world.

BeeRC 09-28-2007 08:54 PM

Holmes Hobbies Cobalt Brushed Motor
 
Raptor57, are you running a Mamba Maxx in your super with the cobalt motor?

By the way, has anyone heard any news on the to-be-upgraded version of the Mamba Maxx that has been referred to several times on here recently?

chafee 09-28-2007 10:06 PM

CAN YOU CUT THE coms? are they similar to lrp puller motors?

JohnRobHolmes 09-28-2007 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BeeRC (Post 864750)
Raptor57, are you running a Mamba Maxx in your super with the cobalt motor?

By the way, has anyone heard any news on the to-be-upgraded version of the Mamba Maxx that has been referred to several times on here recently?

I haven't heard anything on the update yet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chafee (Post 864887)
CAN YOU CUT THE coms? are they similar to lrp puller motors?

You can cut the comm, but it is round from the factory. These motors are nowhere near the same as the LRP puller. My motors have more torque and rpm range, they have a totally different design.

aggressivellc 09-28-2007 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeeRC (Post 864750)
Raptor57, are you running a Mamba Maxx in your super with the cobalt motor?

By the way, has anyone heard any news on the to-be-upgraded version of the Mamba Maxx that has been referred to several times on here recently?

Call Castle Creations they will tell you the basics of what you want to know. I havent gotten anything really technical out of them yet but they will give you the dummy version of what will be different.

braceysdad 09-30-2007 06:04 PM

I picked up a 7t from JRH for a rock racer project. I threw it in a bruiser hybred running tlt axles and a pede tranny. With 8 cells and a mamba maxx this motor is the bomb...

I will replace every motor in my scale/trail rigs with one of these!

It is exactly as JRH says, great low speed torque and tons of wheels speed...

Scattman 09-30-2007 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by braceysdad (Post 866618)
I picked up a 7t from JRH for a rock racer project. I threw it in a bruiser hybred running tlt axles and a pede tranny. With 8 cells and a mamba maxx this motor is the bomb...

I will replace every motor in my scale/trail rigs with one of these!

It is exactly as JRH says, great low speed torque and tons of wheels speed...

Is that the turn you would recommend? I am running a hybrid with a stealth. been running a 35 turn in it but sometimes I wish it had a little more balls. Have you run it on 6 cells and if so how does it compare to a 35 turn?

braceysdad 09-30-2007 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by scattman (Post 866635)
Is that the turn you would recommend? I am running a hybrid with a stealth. been running a 35 turn in it but sometimes I wish it had a little more balls. Have you run it on 6 cells and if so how does it compare to a 35 turn?

I've only ran it on the 8 cell pack of 2/3 A's. I think JRH has been recommending the 10t for most crawler applications. I'm actually gonna use the 7t on a R2 2 speed tranny...

Thorsteenster 09-30-2007 06:52 PM

Save some for the rest of us BD!
I got a 10T for a 6th scale build I'll be starting soon hopefully.

SpyderMonkee 09-30-2007 11:57 PM

JRH, thanks for the Cobalt! Hooked up to a Max and r2, the low speed control was so much nicer than with the hyperion. Another one hit out of the park imo.

Cloak 10-01-2007 10:17 AM

After you told me about these at Nats, I figured I should keep an eye out. Haven't been online much with the house sale/purchase so I figure better late than never.

SnailMail 10-01-2007 06:17 PM

pardon my ignorance, bu i've seen tham somwhere else.... just can't rember where.....

one sec....

here
https://shop.graupner.de/webuerp/servlet/AI?ARTN=6340

groupner ultra motors, thet are DC'd though, so get em while you can "thumbsup" (from JRH - about $200 cheaper :shock:)

there's more here, not just that one.....
https://shop.graupner.de/webuerp/servlet/AA

JohnRobHolmes 10-01-2007 06:23 PM

It is a similar motor, no doubt the graupner motors are a bit higher quality. Too bad they are discod. Brushed motors are falling by the wayside.


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