Legal or not?

[the_ghetto_rig]

Is a tube frame that's bolted or brazed to a vertical twin-plate chassis
a legal bodiless crawler, as long as it meets all the height and panel
requirements? e.g. the Edge chassis...I tried to search the answer, but didn't find a thread.

[2JSC]

The Edge is fully welded, not bolted, and complies with the bodyless rules.

[Nicklepimp]

Here's the section straight from the USRCCA Rules:

Originally Posted by USRCCA 2008 Rules

2.1.3 - Bodiless vehicles: Must be a self-supporting, structurally complete, rigid frame. The roof must be raised a minimum of 1” from the main chassis to resemble a cockpit. The frame sides must be an overall minimum of 1” tall (The cockpit & frame side are to be measured vertically from where the hood intersects the cab). Bodiless vehicles should resemble a 1:1 vehicle. NOTE: These bodiless rules are in a 1 year trial period to see how people respond to it and after that time these rules & requirements may be revised.

• 2.1.3.1 - Bodiless vehicles must have solid hood panel, solid roof panel and a minimum of 2 solid side-panels. Hood, roof and side panels must be separate pieces of solid material installed onto the bodiless vehicle frame. All body panels are to be separate pieces from the complete structural frame. Body panels must be solidly installed in a manner that is representative of a 1:1 vehicle. It is required that at least one point of the side-panel must reach to a span of 1” tall or more & at least one other point of the side-panel must reach to a span of 2.5” long or more. In the case of a Unibody vehicle (See sec. 2.1.3.2 for Unibody definition). The Unibody is considered to have all body panels needed without having to add separate body panels as long as the hood, roof & side panel areas meet all the general panel & side-panel size requirements above.
• 2.1.3.2 - Unibody – Constructed of a single piece of solid material (fiberglass, aluminum, plastic, etc) and must be self supporting. A Unibody cannot be fastened together in any nonpermanent way such as, nuts & bolts, pins, rivets, zip ties, etc. The roof must be raised from the main chassis to resemble a cockpit and should resemble a 1:1 vehicle.
• 2.1.3.3 - Super class minimum overall bodiless dimensions must be 12” overall length, 3” overall width, & 3.75” overall height.
• 2.1.3.4 - 2.2 class minimum overall bodiless dimensions must be 8” overall length, 3” overall width, & 3.75” overall height.

As far as right now, yes it will be allowed. But the USRCCA Rules Committee is discussing rules changes for 2009 currently. There is a *note in the above section of the rules that we added last year that says the bodiless rules were a trial basis for the year. We will be re-evaluating this classification soon.

B.T.W.The '09 rules should be out in January.

[the_ghetto_rig]

thanx for the feedback you all...
the rules did not seem to address the difference between a welded or
bolted frame, as one would seem to be as "rigid" as the other...

[tjb]

Well if you would win, no.......If not then yes.......:-P

[Nicklepimp]

Originally Posted by tjb

Well if you would win, no.......If not then yes.......:-P

That rule only applies to you Jay.

Originally Posted by the_ghetto_rig

thanx for the feedback you all...
the rules did not seem to address the difference between a welded or
bolted frame, as one would seem to be as "rigid" as the other...

Yeah, the rules can be hard to interpret at times. If you have any other questions feel free to post up.

[2JSC]

Just looking in a nother thread and seeing an HBZ Warhog, the top half is welded and then bolted to a TVP... so I guess anything as leagal as long as the "body pannels" fall within the rules.

[GySgt Hartman]

Originally Posted by tjb

Well if you would win, no.......If not then yes.......:-P

Originally Posted by Nicklepimp

That rule only applies to you Jay.

We don't need to worry about Jay winning...

[tjb]

Originally Posted by GySgt Hartman

We don't need to worry about Jay winning...

You just earned yourself a PM mister!

[GySgt Hartman]

Originally Posted by tjb

You just earned yourself a PM mister!

What will this get me?

[tjb]

Originally Posted by GySgt Hartman

What will this get me?

Nothing, I don't associate with mean people or quiters............ It's bad for my image you know................:-P