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cliffhanger007 · 05-11-2010, 01:05 PM

I have a question which crawler is better option MOA driven or shaft and why?
Thanks for the help i was looking to buy Axial AX10 Scorpion 1/10th 4WD Electric R/C Rock Crawler Kit.
But now that xr10 come one i wonder if the MOA makes really big difference.Thanks for all the help

jammin311 · 05-11-2010, 01:11 PM

BIG DIFFERENTS!!! Go MOA and you wont look back unless you want a scaler (only good thing a drive shaft is for).

Kratos · 05-11-2010, 09:00 PM

there are two major advantages that i know of for an moa rig and those are axle clearance and low center of gravity. there are many pros and cons to both kinds and you really have to see which one fits your style. i love my ax 10 for going up the trails and around the yard but for comp i have a moa simply cause it seemed to perform better for me and my style of driving.

oldhippie · 05-11-2010, 10:23 PM

If ya want to bash, get the shafty. If ya want to comp, get the Moa. It's as simple as that.

stolps · 05-12-2010, 04:27 PM

I am also thinking of going from a shafty (heavily modified WK) to some sort of moa. I don't do any comps, just bashing. I want something that works better for climbing and want to get rid of the torque twist. Would a moa be best for this or keep working on what I have? What are the drawbacks of a moa for bashing?

oldhippie · 05-12-2010, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by stolps

I am also thinking of going from a shafty (heavily modified WK) to some sort of moa. I don't do any comps, just bashing. I want something that works better for climbing and want to get rid of the torque twist. Would a moa be best for this or keep working on what I have? What are the drawbacks of a moa for bashing?

Extra motor/electronics/gearbox = $ & complexity. An Axial is just simpler, more reliable, easier to fix and cheaper. Torque twist is easily controlled with proper link design/placement/setup. If ya want to bash a moa I would recommend a bully (or maybe wait for the new Axial).

jcboof · 05-13-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by oldhippie

Extra motor/electronics/gearbox = $ & complexity. An Axial is just simpler, more reliable, easier to fix and cheaper. Torque twist is easily controlled with proper link design/placement/setup. If ya want to bash a moa I would recommend a bully (or maybe wait for the new Axial).

X2. The Bully would be a great bulletproof axle to go with for bashing around.

Dabandit1 · 05-13-2010, 06:31 PM

Downside to moa is clodstall unless you run dual esc's and batteries the otherdownside is less room behind the axle because of the motor,not to mention the cost of 2 motors,2esc's,2batteries.

Downside to a shafty is the clearance at the driveshaft,torque twist,only 1 motor means half the power ,less weight at the axle and higher center of gravity.

Im no expert those are just my experiences/opinions
Both have their ups and downs but I think a clod is just slightlly more capable

Dabandit1 · 05-13-2010, 06:37 PM

Forgot to mention even clodstall has its advantages biggest being power going to free wheel means your far less likelly to ruin your drivetrain in a jam. I use stall to my advantage more than it hinders me and have made no effort to eliminate it I've only lessened it ,and learned to love it

cartronicshn · 05-13-2010, 08:16 PM

I have owned both moa and shafty, 2.2 and super, in the end it does come down to the driver knowing his rig and its limits and abilities. IMHO

cliffhanger007 · 05-14-2010, 12:57 PM

i think i will go with ARTR AX10 becouse no need for two esc,bateries big savings here fore sure still have to make mine mind

Dennis P · 05-15-2010, 07:52 AM

I agree that the ARTR Axial is a good rig but to just clear up a few things.I run 1 ESC on my Berge setup with great success.There maybe some advantages to 2 esc's yes! but a single works very well and as for battery's there is still just 1 battery and I use a 1300 3s for playing and a 850 3s for comps with super run times .So in the end there is just the cost of 1 more motor and a punk dig is cheaper than a dig for the Axial and no extra servo is needed.I just did not want you to be clouded with people making the MOA sound to involved.

Speed Metal Army · 05-15-2010, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dennis P

I agree that the ARTR Axial is a good rig but to just clear up a few things.I run 1 ESC on my Berge setup with great success.There maybe some advantages to 2 esc's yes! but a single works very well and as for battery's there is still just 1 battery and I use a 1300 3s for playing and a 850 3s for comps with super run times .So in the end there is just the cost of 1 more motor and a punk dig is cheaper than a dig for the Axial and no extra servo is needed.I just did not want you to be clouded with people making the MOA sound to involved.

Yup.I also run one ESC with no noticeable clod stall.The punk rules,and is dead easy and effective.3S runs forever for me too.Choosing the right components goes a long way.If you spend a bit more for the MOA,it will probably pay off in performance.My 2 cents.

Dabandit1 · 05-16-2010, 09:29 AM

To clarify you dont NEED to run 2 escs or batts unless your trying to eliminate clodstall 100%,I dont and I enjoy what little clodstall I do get. Sry if i confused anyone. Was only trying to point out a moa will stall and a shafty wont,and what steps are required to 100% alleviate stall.

I'd buy the moa......rs10 available for 150$ rtr (artr lol) runs circles around my old scorpion

TIMBERDOVII · 05-18-2010, 02:14 PM

I second Dabandit1, i have had my RS10 for less than 3 weeks and it is a blast. For 150.00 rtr cant go wrong and the electronics inside can run 540 motors also if you wanted to go to different axles later on. But with the rs10 get a lipo cutoff or make sure not to drain your lipo's or you will kill them. In my opinion though, if i had the money i would go bully or berg the money you are going to put in an axial or an rs10 can be put towards a rtr bully and have a way better rig.

05-11-2010, 01:05 PM	#1
cliffhanger007 Quarry Creeper Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Vancouver,Canada Posts: 212	MOA or shaft driven crawler I have a question which crawler is better option MOA driven or shaft and why? Thanks for the help i was looking to buy Axial AX10 Scorpion 1/10th 4WD Electric R/C Rock Crawler Kit. But now that xr10 come one i wonder if the MOA makes really big difference.Thanks for all the help

05-11-2010, 01:11 PM	#2
jammin311 Rock Crawler Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: vacaville Posts: 786	BIG DIFFERENTS!!! Go MOA and you wont look back unless you want a scaler (only good thing a drive shaft is for).

05-11-2010, 09:00 PM	#3
Kratos RCC Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Council Bluffs Posts: 1,238	there are two major advantages that i know of for an moa rig and those are axle clearance and low center of gravity. there are many pros and cons to both kinds and you really have to see which one fits your style. i love my ax 10 for going up the trails and around the yard but for comp i have a moa simply cause it seemed to perform better for me and my style of driving.

05-11-2010, 10:23 PM	#4
oldhippie I wanna be Dave Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: 20 miles southeeast of downtown Sacramento Posts: 2,373	If ya want to bash, get the shafty. If ya want to comp, get the Moa. It's as simple as that.

05-12-2010, 04:27 PM	#5
stolps Quarry Creeper Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sheboygan Posts: 326	I am also thinking of going from a shafty (heavily modified WK) to some sort of moa. I don't do any comps, just bashing. I want something that works better for climbing and want to get rid of the torque twist. Would a moa be best for this or keep working on what I have? What are the drawbacks of a moa for bashing?

05-13-2010, 06:31 PM	#8
Dabandit1 Pebble Pounder Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 161	Downside to moa is clodstall unless you run dual esc's and batteries the otherdownside is less room behind the axle because of the motor,not to mention the cost of 2 motors,2esc's,2batteries. Downside to a shafty is the clearance at the driveshaft,torque twist,only 1 motor means half the power ,less weight at the axle and higher center of gravity. Im no expert those are just my experiences/opinions Both have their ups and downs but I think a clod is just slightlly more capable

05-13-2010, 06:37 PM	#9
Dabandit1 Pebble Pounder Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 161	Forgot to mention even clodstall has its advantages biggest being power going to free wheel means your far less likelly to ruin your drivetrain in a jam. I use stall to my advantage more than it hinders me and have made no effort to eliminate it I've only lessened it ,and learned to love it

05-13-2010, 08:16 PM	#10
cartronicshn I wanna be Dave Join Date: May 2006 Location: HONDURAS...ROCK HEAVEN Posts: 5,076	I have owned both moa and shafty, 2.2 and super, in the end it does come down to the driver knowing his rig and its limits and abilities. IMHO

05-14-2010, 12:57 PM	#11
cliffhanger007 Quarry Creeper Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Vancouver,Canada Posts: 212	i think i will go with ARTR AX10 becouse no need for two esc,bateries big savings here fore sure still have to make mine mind

05-15-2010, 07:52 AM	#12
Dennis P Pebble Pounder Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Alberta Canada Posts: 177	I agree that the ARTR Axial is a good rig but to just clear up a few things.I run 1 ESC on my Berge setup with great success.There maybe some advantages to 2 esc's yes! but a single works very well and as for battery's there is still just 1 battery and I use a 1300 3s for playing and a 850 3s for comps with super run times .So in the end there is just the cost of 1 more motor and a punk dig is cheaper than a dig for the Axial and no extra servo is needed.I just did not want you to be clouded with people making the MOA sound to involved.

05-16-2010, 09:29 AM	#14
Dabandit1 Pebble Pounder Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 161	To clarify you dont NEED to run 2 escs or batts unless your trying to eliminate clodstall 100%,I dont and I enjoy what little clodstall I do get. Sry if i confused anyone. Was only trying to point out a moa will stall and a shafty wont,and what steps are required to 100% alleviate stall. I'd buy the moa......rs10 available for 150$ rtr (artr lol) runs circles around my old scorpion

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05-18-2010, 02:14 PM	#15
TIMBERDOVII Newbie Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: canada Posts: 28	I second Dabandit1, i have had my RS10 for less than 3 weeks and it is a blast. For 150.00 rtr cant go wrong and the electronics inside can run 540 motors also if you wanted to go to different axles later on. But with the rs10 get a lipo cutoff or make sure not to drain your lipo's or you will kill them. In my opinion though, if i had the money i would go bully or berg the money you are going to put in an axial or an rs10 can be put towards a rtr bully and have a way better rig.

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