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minnesotamudder · 08-31-2010, 08:02 PM

which one would be better for comping?(where i will run moa and shafty are ran together)

shelby · 08-31-2010, 08:05 PM

Anything MOA will be better for comping. so with that said......

Frankenwheely · 08-31-2010, 08:20 PM

If you got the money, XR-10. AX-10 is a good starter rig.

T1DAVE · 08-31-2010, 08:59 PM

Moa

DRCrawlGood · 08-31-2010, 09:01 PM

MOA for sure to be flat out honest. They just seem to make any driver better from my experiences.

TURTLE · 08-31-2010, 09:19 PM

The XR10 is by far the best out of box crawler I have ever used.

The Ax10 is a nice platform, but in my eyes it is outdated for the current competition scene.

Out of all the choices on the current market if your not willing to drop 1500.00 for a bomb proof berg go with the XR10 and get it set up for half that price(less or more depending on what components you want to run and how pretty you want it to look).

Neutron · 08-31-2010, 09:31 PM

Well, I'm sure people will not like me but here is my Opinion. I would start with a shafty, the ax-10. I feel that it will make you a better driver in the long run. You will actually have to drive the shafty. If the have a sportsman's class where you comp then you will compete against others that have similar rigs, so you won't be out classed so to speak. I realize that moa guys have to drive too, but the rig can cover up some bad driving habits. You can learn on an moa. You could be a great driver with a moa. I would start on a shafty. Just my opinion. The ax 10 is a great rig, and if axial has there poop in a group, then the xr 10 should be great too. Good luck!

oldhippie · 08-31-2010, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neutron

Well, I'm sure people will not like me but here is my Opinion. I would start with a shafty, the ax-10. I feel that it will make you a better driver in the long run. You will actually have to drive the shafty. If the have a sportsman's class where you comp then you will compete against others that have similar rigs, so you won't be out classed so to speak. I realize that moa guys have to drive too, but the rig can cover up some bad driving habits. You can learn on an moa. You could be a great driver with a moa. I would start on a shafty. Just my opinion. The ax 10 is a great rig, and if axial has there poop in a group, then the xr 10 should be great too. Good luck!

I hear this a lot, in all kinds of things. Start with a small slow car/bike, a cheap tennis racket/basball mitt/skis... whatever. My feeling is ya should start with the best equipment ya can so ya don't learn poor habits or compensate because the of the poor performance and ya can concentrate on learning proper skills. But, that's just me.

run2jeepn · 09-01-2010, 12:08 AM

Starting with a Shafty to help train you for an MOA... Not really they best way. If you plan on comping and plan on going MOA. Start off MOA.... You have 3 choices to go MOA... Berg, very Costly to build comp worthy, XR10, Cheaper, but very new and having a few issues holding up.... The Bully is priced about in the Middle and much stronger then anything out.

SMR 510RR · 09-01-2010, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by run2jeepn

Starting with a Shafty to help train you for an MOA... Not really they best way. If you plan on comping and plan on going MOA. Start off MOA.... You have 3 choices to go MOA... Berg, very Costly to build comp worthy, XR10, Cheaper, but very new and having a few issues holding up.... The Bully is priced about in the Middle and much stronger then anything out.

Exactly what I was going to say. If you want to learn how to play guitar do you buy a drum set because it will help you learn to keep time??? NO.

I will say that if this will be your first rig ever you may want to go with something like an ax-10. It can be very expensive to get going between the rig, radio gear, motors, esc/esc's/dig switch, servo, etc. If you dont want to throw 1k+ at trying something out buying a used ax-10 or something similar may be the way to go. Maybe you will want to upgrade and maybe that will satisfy you.

John82601 · 09-01-2010, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by run2jeepn

.... The Bully is priced about in the Middle and much stronger then anything out.

(inserting self promoting quote)
And there's a nice one in the For Sale Section! Comp ready with your radio and rx.

http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=267398

kasper · 09-01-2010, 09:02 AM

As stated above 3 choices building my XR this weekend my Berg cost me close to $1100.00 and to be honest i will be close to that with the XR also but if the wallet lets you go MOA

run2jeepn · 09-01-2010, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John82601

(inserting self promoting quote)
And there's a nice one in the For Sale Section! Comp ready with your radio and rx.

http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=267398

I sell items for all three trucks.. not really self promoting the Bully. I have an XR10 in route to me now. I have owned a Berg and Bully. I kept the Bully. My old Comp 2.2 Rig was a 2.2 Clod with TTR CVD's. I loved that rig. It was bullet proof. The Bully has been the closet thing to bullet proof I have ran since then.

Sides it's the truth...

John82601 · 09-01-2010, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by run2jeepn

I sell items for all three trucks.. not really self promoting the Bully. I have an XR10 in route to me now. I have owned a Berg and Bully. I kept the Bully. My old Comp 2.2 Rig was a 2.2 Clod with TTR CVD's. I loved that rig. It was bullet proof. The Bully has been the closet thing to bullet proof I have ran since then.

Sides it's the truth...

Jared, my bad,,, you missed my joke. The link is to the Bully that I'm selling, thus the self promotion comment. Bullies are the stoutest moa I've worked with and would recommend them to anybody. I think the side plates on my truck used to be on your personal truck IIRC. Sorry for the goof.

ecoli · 09-01-2010, 04:34 PM

Clod axles FTW

Shafties are great for scalers. They seem to be pretty much dead for the comp world though. A big time player like Axial bringing out an MOA is just another nail in the comp shafty coffin.

yjdavid · 09-01-2010, 04:40 PM

I'll throw my 2 cents in:

I started with an artr ax-10, that has since been converted to a "bulletproof" mayhem ls2.0 chassis rig, ten converted to a custom chassis rig. I was never happy with it because no matter how much care I took planning and whatnot it ALWAYS broke down. if it wasn't the dig breaking it was a pin shooting out of a driveshaft into the spur gear killing an entire trans. I know people break parts with bullies, bergs, anything. but this was excessive to me.

so I have since parted out what I could from my shafty rigs and built a bully.

I would too recommend going MOA to start, because you'll get an ax-10, need to upgrade a lot of it to be competitive, and end up with a cool truck that probably isn't competive against the moa's, and then end up doing what I did (dumping the parts for less that half of what you bought them for, and spending just as much again on a MOA.

go with the, do it once, do it right mentality, and you'll be satisfied!

Neutron · 09-01-2010, 06:15 PM

I must have misunderstood the question. I thought he was asking which one to buy biased on the fact that there is a sportsmans class at a lot of the comps nowadays. If you intend to run in the "comp" class then an moa is the only way to go. If you are just getting into the hobby and have a sportsmans class to run in, then I stand behind my original post. Maybe a lot of people would go out and buy a Rock Worx buggy as their first four wheel drive instead of a Jeep. I wouldn't. The buggy will make you look like a rock star till you got into a spot where you actually had to know how to drive. I also agree with Oldhippie, don't buy junk, but..... I don't think either rigs are junk. One is a TJ and one's a comp buggy. Depends on what you want. Comp or sportsman. No matter what you do tho... Do it to have FUN! Thats what it all about

minnesotamudder · 09-01-2010, 06:49 PM

i think im going to go with the xr10 becuse it will be competative(people in my area are going to swich to a xr10 so i might as well start there)

Stormin2u · 09-01-2010, 07:02 PM

If I was getting started and wanted all new equipment I'd buy the best most competitive newest gear available. If I was on a budget I'd look for used equipment right here on RCC in the used section.

If I wasn't RC savvy at all, I'd try a RTR set-up as a learning exercise, you can find some good prices by shopping for exactly what looks good to you.

fred0000 · 09-01-2010, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by fred0000

I hate when people say " you need an moa rig to compete. Anything else and your just stupid." What people don't ask is. What classes comp in your area. For example here where I live. 2.2 shaftys only. No rear steer. No dig. No portals. So that R1 is out for here cause of the portal axles. It looks like a fine crawler. But your best bet for comps might be to go spectate one. And see what everyone else runs. And go with your favorite. Or the biggest class so there are more people with what you have.

quoted from another thread. ignore black text. thanks

If I listened to any of the guys on this forum i'd be VERY disapointed when it came to competition time, there is no MOA class within 200 miles of where I live. so get out there and see what class you want to comp in, and decide after.

08-31-2010, 08:02 PM	#1
minnesotamudder Quarry Creeper Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Where Jeep axles are made Posts: 440	XR-10 or AX-10 for comping which one would be better for comping?(where i will run moa and shafty are ran together)

08-31-2010, 08:05 PM	#2
shelby RCC Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Santa Rosa, CA Posts: 1,349	Anything MOA will be better for comping. so with that said......

08-31-2010, 08:20 PM	#3
Frankenwheely D-Wray 4 Prez! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Shh Posts: 2,560	If you got the money, XR-10. AX-10 is a good starter rig.

08-31-2010, 08:59 PM	#4
T1DAVE Pebble Pounder Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: PISCATAWAY Posts: 128	Moa

08-31-2010, 09:01 PM	#5
DRCrawlGood RCC Addict Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Amish Buggy PA Posts: 1,100	MOA for sure to be flat out honest. They just seem to make any driver better from my experiences.

08-31-2010, 09:19 PM	#6
TURTLE Gettin’ back on the horse Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hoonsville Posts: 6,671	The XR10 is by far the best out of box crawler I have ever used. The Ax10 is a nice platform, but in my eyes it is outdated for the current competition scene. Out of all the choices on the current market if your not willing to drop 1500.00 for a bomb proof berg go with the XR10 and get it set up for half that price(less or more depending on what components you want to run and how pretty you want it to look).

08-31-2010, 09:31 PM	#7
Neutron Rock Stacker Join Date: May 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 87	Well, I'm sure people will not like me but here is my Opinion. I would start with a shafty, the ax-10. I feel that it will make you a better driver in the long run. You will actually have to drive the shafty. If the have a sportsman's class where you comp then you will compete against others that have similar rigs, so you won't be out classed so to speak. I realize that moa guys have to drive too, but the rig can cover up some bad driving habits. You can learn on an moa. You could be a great driver with a moa. I would start on a shafty. Just my opinion. The ax 10 is a great rig, and if axial has there poop in a group, then the xr 10 should be great too. Good luck!

09-01-2010, 12:08 AM	#9
run2jeepn I wanna be Dave Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: USA Posts: 11,196	Starting with a Shafty to help train you for an MOA... Not really they best way. If you plan on comping and plan on going MOA. Start off MOA.... You have 3 choices to go MOA... Berg, very Costly to build comp worthy, XR10, Cheaper, but very new and having a few issues holding up.... The Bully is priced about in the Middle and much stronger then anything out.

09-01-2010, 09:02 AM	#12
kasper I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: appleton Posts: 2,067	As stated above 3 choices building my XR this weekend my Berg cost me close to $1100.00 and to be honest i will be close to that with the XR also but if the wallet lets you go MOA

09-01-2010, 04:34 PM	#15
ecoli I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Canada, eh. Posts: 2,919	Clod axles FTW Shafties are great for scalers. They seem to be pretty much dead for the comp world though. A big time player like Axial bringing out an MOA is just another nail in the comp shafty coffin.

09-01-2010, 04:40 PM	#16
yjdavid Rock Crawler Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: SO CAL Posts: 598	I'll throw my 2 cents in: I started with an artr ax-10, that has since been converted to a "bulletproof" mayhem ls2.0 chassis rig, ten converted to a custom chassis rig. I was never happy with it because no matter how much care I took planning and whatnot it ALWAYS broke down. if it wasn't the dig breaking it was a pin shooting out of a driveshaft into the spur gear killing an entire trans. I know people break parts with bullies, bergs, anything. but this was excessive to me. so I have since parted out what I could from my shafty rigs and built a bully. I would too recommend going MOA to start, because you'll get an ax-10, need to upgrade a lot of it to be competitive, and end up with a cool truck that probably isn't competive against the moa's, and then end up doing what I did (dumping the parts for less that half of what you bought them for, and spending just as much again on a MOA. go with the, do it once, do it right mentality, and you'll be satisfied!

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09-01-2010, 06:15 PM	#17
Neutron Rock Stacker Join Date: May 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 87	I must have misunderstood the question. I thought he was asking which one to buy biased on the fact that there is a sportsmans class at a lot of the comps nowadays. If you intend to run in the "comp" class then an moa is the only way to go. If you are just getting into the hobby and have a sportsmans class to run in, then I stand behind my original post. Maybe a lot of people would go out and buy a Rock Worx buggy as their first four wheel drive instead of a Jeep. I wouldn't. The buggy will make you look like a rock star till you got into a spot where you actually had to know how to drive. I also agree with Oldhippie, don't buy junk, but..... I don't think either rigs are junk. One is a TJ and one's a comp buggy. Depends on what you want. Comp or sportsman. No matter what you do tho... Do it to have FUN! Thats what it all about

09-01-2010, 06:49 PM	#18
minnesotamudder Quarry Creeper Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Where Jeep axles are made Posts: 440	i think im going to go with the xr10 becuse it will be competative(people in my area are going to swich to a xr10 so i might as well start there)

09-01-2010, 07:02 PM	#19
Stormin2u I wanna be Dave Join Date: May 2007 Location: Taylors Falls just hanging with the MNRCRC crew. Posts: 7,843	If I was getting started and wanted all new equipment I'd buy the best most competitive newest gear available. If I was on a budget I'd look for used equipment right here on RCC in the used section. If I wasn't RC savvy at all, I'd try a RTR set-up as a learning exercise, you can find some good prices by shopping for exactly what looks good to you.

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