shockless suspension

[Kranberry]

i was surfing around here and saw the word 'limiting strap' and it gave me an idea. what about a shockless suspension(kinda like droop) and limit it with sraps. whats you opinion on this? crap? sweet idea? try it. wtf?

[Thorsteenster]

i plan on trying that on my never get it done tuber. the only problem i forsee is when the tires bite for traction and start hopping there are no dampers to keep it in check. so you might have to learn a new technique with the throttle.

[Mnster]

Shocks stop bounce, wheel hop, and more. Exactly why torsion designs are starting to fade away.

[run2jeepn]

Originally Posted by Mnster

Shocks stop bounce, wheel hop, and more. Exactly why torsion designs are starting to fade away.

Well Crap I didn't know Torsions were on there way out... Crap.. Better tell Raytard, Dezfan, KINGBLING and others that...Hell if the BMVII was still being sold to the main public.. I know it would be winning more Comps.


Torsion do work and work well. There has been many Comps that where 4 links and Torsions have gone head to head. Its Driver at that point.

But I do agree with Mnster on the fact that shocks stop Bouce, Wheelhop and other things too. You need something there to keep the wheels planted. If there is nothing there it will be every unpredictable. (sp?)

Take a look at the last Axial Comp..

1) rbgerrish.................Custom tuber
2) KevinLongIsland.......TCS Stick
3) H3RESQ..................Custom plate
4) KING BLING.............Pimp cane
5) Grover...................TCS stick


First was a 4 link Droop
Second was a Stick
Third was a half Torsion
Fourth Torsion
Then another Stick...

Two Torsion style rigs placed in the Top Five. With over 50 rigs..

[grover]

Big wheels/new possibilites

I did well with this shockless stick.

Chad-

[Kranberry]

Originally Posted by Mnster

Shocks stop bounce, wheel hop, and more. .

yea thats true but with som kind of spring from a shock th help it stay stable

Exactly why torsion designs are starting to fade away

for som reason i just cant stand those kinds of "chassis"

but iam not making this up would like a spring on each axle do the trick?

[run2jeepn]

The more I think about it... even the all new famous Droop set ups don't Damper either. Far as I know.

[dezfan]

Originally Posted by run2jeepn

The more I think about it... even the all new famous Droop set ups don't Damper either. Far as I know.

They have dampening, as they do run shocks.

[run2jeepn]

Originally Posted by dezfan

They have dampening, as they do run shocks.

But the shock pulls agaist the axle. Helps keep it low to the ground. The spring inside the shock can't Dampen????? Or if so much... I'm not saying Droop doesn't work... it's been proven already. I just see how they Dampen really unless you do a 50/50 set up.

[obijuan]

dampening is in the movement of fluid right?

[run2jeepn]

Originally Posted by obijuan

dampening is in the movement of fluid right?

Damping (not to be confused with dampening) is the control of motion or oscillation, as seen with the use of hydraulic gates and valves in a vehicles shock absorber. This may also vary, intentionally or unintentionally. Like spring rate, the optimal damping for comfort may be less than for control.
Damping controls the travel speed and resistance of the vehicles suspension. An undamped car will oscillate up and down. With proper damping levels, the car will settle back to a normal state in a minimal amount of time. Most damping in modern vehicles can be controlled by increasing or decreasing the resistance to fluid flow in the shock absorber.

[Mnster]

Didn't mean to turn this thread into Torsion Vs. shocked truck thread.

But, what can I say I've never been a fan of the loss of control, limited flex, and axles boucing back and forth while struggling for traction... It doesn't mean torsions can't win, it just means I'm not a fan of them.

Here in the local scene, several people ditched the torsions after we started getting more competitive.

[obijuan]

nice one! thanks for that

[H3RESQ]

BTW: 3rd in super is a 4link front with a torsion rear.

The flex comes 90% from the droop 4link front. The torsion rear has 1.5 inches of flex at best.



Then again, our winter series winner was driving a torsion super.......


Kinda makes the driver seem important doesn't it.

[JohnRobHolmes]

Originally Posted by H3RESQ

Kinda makes the driver seem important doesn't it.

It really is all about the driver in the end. Part of being a good driver is knowing how the rig handles, good or bad. Dez got first in 2.2 with a torsion, I tried driving his rig and had never driven a torsion - I placed near last. It didn't fit my driving style and I messed up a bunch.


I would personally never build a crawler with suspension but no damping. It would handle like crap under hard throttle and the chassis would unsettle and shift often.

[Kranberry]

i tought it as a "good idea" at the start but now not so much. after the 14th ill get off pointing out azz ill test the no suspension idea wit h spring instead of shocks

[Defender]

anyways back to the main question..If you have a 4 link I see no advantage to not running shocks.

[Reflection]

Originally Posted by cjkranwinkle@cableone.net

i was surfing around here and saw the word 'limiting strap' and it gave me an idea. what about a shockless suspension(kinda like droop) and limit it with sraps. whats you opinion on this? crap? sweet idea? try it. wtf?

Originally Posted by M715ForLife

I am running the stock clod shocks, no springs, so its sort of a "droop"

I Like it

Shock less linked suspention....crap in my opinion. Don't consider it droop. It might have ONE similar trait,it'll ride on the bump stops while on flat,level ground.

I think I would call an uncontrollable unpredictable fall suspension before I would call it droop suspension.


Torsion vs links. Two TOTALLY different beasts. Me personally,I don't care for them. Allot of people like them and it works well for them. The couple guys in ETRC (Torchedcycle and Raytard) that run torsions like them and are hard to beat. That set up fits their driving style and works for them.

Personally,I like the tuneabillity of a 4 link set up. I enjoy building them as much as I do driving them. Setting up the links to perform a certain way and tuning the shocks is enjoyable to me.

[cartronicshn]

Guys, guys, that's why i always avoid the torsion vs. regular shock vs. droop vs. any other kind of suspension i get one of each and love them all for their different properties and designs, i wish we could all agree that at the end it comes down to the driver and driving style , if not might as well get a robot to drive the best chassis out there, is there ever is one built that has low cog and monstrous belly clearance