SORRCA Competition Rules Release - Class Specs and scale points
 

SORRCA
Scale Off Road RC Association


THESE RULES HAVE BEEN PUT ON HOLD.


For more information please read this:
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/scale-comp-rules/295134-sorrca-rules-hold.html



thanks

I would like to be the first to say you guys did an excellent job on the rules. they are clear, concise and to the point. I particularly like the Glossary. It is a well needed addition.

I only have one complaint, Why are reduced tires not allowed? If the tires start as approved tires and meet the maximum height requirements for each class, what does it matter?

This really hurts the people running 1.55 wheels as good performing scale tires are few and far between.

I know this was brought up before but i still think it is something that should be looked into.

Once again, great job guys!"thumbsup"

Thank-you we all appreciate the compliments. In tire rules, we decided that with the multitude of 1.9 tires on the market that there was no need for people to cut an shut tires anymore, and for class 1 where your 1.55's would be common we intended it to be a builders class, and having a cut and shut tire didn't really fit the feel of this class. I have faith that the options for 1.55 tires will ever expand in the future!

My basic explanation.:mrgreen:

Does this mean the "no fender" look is illegal in Class 2? Would it be ok if I just ran inner fenders to be legal?

BTW, thanks for all the hard work!!!

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...rt24/155-1.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...inart24/19.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...inart24/22.jpg


This is a list of available tires for all classes,hope that helps.Remember it is not all inclusive,just some of the available production tires that are readily available.

We needed to draw the line somewere to keep separation in the classes and to try and keep the rigs performance levels simular in those classes

Thats a great question. I would say yes in the case of your build,you have a full inner fender well. Plus you have a full fender on the other side...thats 50% of the fenders all buy it self:mrgreen:

Post a pic for all to see Justin,we actually never discussed a realistic inner fender in lue of a outer fender.

What rig does this effect? The F-350? Isn't that a class 3 rig?

Justin,

When you say "no fender" look, my initial thought would be to say it's not 50% if it's not there ... however, from reading what the other guys are saying, it sounds like you have possibly built the structure/support of a fender and just "lost the skin" on one side. For me, I'd say that probably is 50%+ but regardless of what anyone in here tells you specifically, it will all come down to the guy teching your rig in.

On the national level ... there is some grey area that is somewhat unavoidable. We have tried to eliminate that as best as we could. So, that said, your local guy may consider something to be 50% that someone else might not. I'd urge you and all others to err on the side of caution. Before attending a national (or local) event ask specific questions of the person running the event with pictures, etc.


Over time, as everyone gets familiar with the intent of the rules, etc, things will all become clearer and more level across the nation/world/galaxy .... ;-)

Justin, Class 2 was the most difficult to define for us. We were hoping to have a wide variety of builds in this class and wanted the vehicles to still resemble the vehicle that it started out as....therefore the body panel requirements. We don't want to stifle peoples creativity, and there will be exceptions in a case like your F-350 where it's obvious what kind of rig it is. We were just trying to keep flat panel tuber type rigs that don't really look like a production based vehicle out of class 2.

BTW, thanks Tim, "Locked Up" and Devlin for replying with helpful info, very appreciated!"thumbsup"

Yes Tim, my F-350 is going to be my C3 rig, sorry for the confusion. I have been waiting to build my C2 Tundra Truggy with Tango down rims and the new RC4WD 1.9 Mud Slingers.
But I was just wondering, as long if we make the inner fenders very detailed like a 1:1, would it be ok in C2.

Here is a example of dready's tunrda.
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/j...IMG_2164-1.jpg
I was just thinking allowing this because there is not a lot of offset 1.9 rims getting made. I could make a narrowed front end but I think the "no fender" look, looks a lot more scale than narrowing, but that's just my opinion.

BTW, again great job on the rules gentlemen, turned clean and easy to read."thumbsup"

So we are putting it on the organizer of an event.:shock: Is the intent of this 50% count the inter and outer fender.


Glad to see the rules out, good job guys. Can't wait to see the course rules and points.

That is nothing new.

Determining if the wheelbase "fits the concept/body" has always been a judgment call and nobody seemed to be up in arms about it. "Some fender trimming", determining if a rig resembles a street rig, etc.

Unless something has a 100% concrete measurement point (and we did as much as we could in this regard) some things will be left to the judgment of the ... judge.



Justin,
We are discussing this right now and will try to respond as quickly as possible.


Another thing to keep in mind is that removing of the fender skins may count as pinching the front.
Though that is legal in Class 2, you are limited in that you cannot pinch the front, dove the rear and do boat sides. (Section 4.4 under class 2).

Question on class two. Is this body legal? I am in question on the front fenders are mod?

http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/pictu...ictureid=15362

http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/pictu...ictureid=15351

What body?


I see no picture ....

There's your answer. No body = not legal.

Sorry to confuse you guys. Just trying to find out answer to my questions. Not looking to be harassed.

Well, technically speaking....

We are not trying to harass you.


I don't see any picture posted with your question so I'm not sure what you are asking.

:oops: sorry I thought it would be ok after reading this but I read in between the lines

I do not see any pictures with your question.
You may have posted something but I cannot see it.

Can you provide a link to a picture?

Pictures worked for me. I would say it's pushing it for 50% fender, but should pass for Class 2.

But we can't do this evaluation for everyone's vehicle in this thread.

I know but I thought if we had a few rigs it might help people to see what is ok and so on.

Thanks

I can see the pictures in the build thread you sent....
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/2-2-scale-rigs/285003-saydees-scrambler.html


That is indeed pushing it. Some people may allow it where others may not.
From the side, most of it is gone. From the top, some of it is gone. From the front all of it is gone.
I'd be inclined to not allow it.
If you had flat fendered it and not cut away as much of the side, I'd probably be OK with it.

However ....
I think you'd have issues with class 2 under section 4.1. From what I see here, this would not be class 2 legal:
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/m...r/IMG_2121.jpg

Good job on the rules guys It is obvious a lot of hard work and thinking went into this.

Since every one has a opinion here is mine. The only thing I don't like is recieving a penalty in class 3 for using rear steer or DIG. With all due respect why did you guys decide on that? I can understand only being able to use one or the other but why a penalty?

4.1 No tubbers or rear truggy bed allowed

It is a full Ladder frame

Basically, if there were no penalty, it would effectively become mandatory for the class. RWS/dig do not necessarily "fit" each style of Class 3 rig out there. It would also drive up the cost of entry in an already pretty expensive class.

We voted and decided the best way to keep everyone reasonably happy would be to allow it, but with a relatively small penalty. "thumbsup"

Tires are not the quistion. That stuff is very clear.

That is from class 1.

I'm talking about class 2, section 4.1. I know that was not your question, I'm just pointing it out to people.

Thanks for answering so quickly Tommy. I understand, but really that can be said about a lot of things, for example: if 5.75 tire size is the tallest allowed than it will be mandatory to run that tire size. Cost shouldn't be a determining factor in class 3 (IMO). It is a individuals choice to build a highly modified class 3 rig. Thats the beauty of having 3 classes, something for everyone.

Im just giving you guys a hard time, the rules look great I really appreciate the time and effort that you guys have put forth for us. This is the only thing that bothers me and it's a pretty small thing. I know it's hard to please everyone and I hope you don't think Im being negative I just wanted clarification.

Thanks Again.

:oops:

wrong ones

4.1.Vehicle body from front to rear of driver / passenger doors must be wider than the distance between the inside of the front tires

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/m...r/IMG_2096.jpg

Class 2 - Performance trail truck ,not necessarily street legal


4.3 All the vehicles, at the minimum, must use: productions style hood, 50% of the production style front fenders, 50% of the production grill, roof (or roll cage if an open top)

I think this is what I was kinda after. There cut but still some left on. Really didn't think that a trail truck need any.



p.s. I am only trying to find out what is the rules. I think us posting this stuff will help other to understand as well. Help to get people trucks into spec.

No sweat! This is why this thread is here! "thumbsup"

Believe me, we discussed and voted more than you could likely imagine....sometimes on stuff you would think would be easy decisions! :ror: Honestly, it gave me confidence in the group because we have/had a lot of different opinions which was healthy for everyone in the end!

It was only after lots of pros/cons were brought up that we made the decisions we made. Basically, we had to consider all of the different participants/rigs that these classes could accommodate and do what we thought would be best to help our sport grow. We knew everyone would not be happy. We all had to concede on many items of discussion, but we feel we have a fair rule set that will keep the majority of the people happy. At least we hope so!!! :ror:

Unless you narrow up the track width, that's a C3 rig. Also, it looks like more than 50% of the front fenders have been removed.


4.1. Vehicle body from front to rear of driver/passenger doors must be wider than the distance between the inside of the front tires.


4.3. All the vehicles, at the minimum, must use: production style hood, 50% of the production
style front fenders, 50% of the production grill, roof (or roll cage if an open top), plus two of the
following:
‐ Windshield and frame
‐ Rear quarter panels
‐ Doors/half doors
‐ Rear Bed/cargo area

Yes but that is not using the steering system. that is slop in steering linkage. it should be pretty minimal.

I would have to say if your rear steer while not being used wanders enough to actually change the steering abilities I would tell you to fix it or take the point for use..

fair just want to get it out there

Along that train of thought that you are penalized for using your winch as an aid,the thought behind the penalty being that dig or rear steer are also an aid.
As others said it was a hot topic but in the end the logic does play out. Now if you "accidentally" use the second choice it's gonna hurt...

I can partially agree, but looking at the 1:1 world, rear steer is a big advantage in some areas, but not all. It's also not mandatory for the real deal either, and I can't see it becoming mandatory. As far as cost goes, there are lots of options available now that can get you rear steering for under $50.

I like the fact that these are included, but it seems that with the penalty points that the use of either dig or rear steer is being discouraged, at which point it almost seems useless to use it in a build. For TTC comps, 7 courses is a 35 point penalty if you used it at each gate. I know the new course rules are still being worked on, but that seems like a big hit on points to me.

Like I said on our board....TTC rules don't apply to these rules. In TTC you can use your winch as much as you want without penalty...same with rear steer or dig. These rules are for a 10 gate scale comp course.

It is a flat penalty per course, not per gate. For those that think it will help them it is available to use same as a winch, at a penalty. If you don't want to build including dig or 4WS then don't.