Slipper or Spur Adapter on Pede tranny...

[ScaleHobbies]

Guys,
Why would someone that crawls want one over the other?
I mean, I understand one is more direct drive vs. a partial slipper. But how is one better vs. the other for what conditions? All my previou crawlers have custom trannies with direct drives (no slippers).

Matt

[Rockpiledriver]

Opinions vary,

I just said this in another thread. The slipper, when tightened down, will still slip when you get in a bind, rather than breaking something else, it acts as a fuse for the driveline.

I pesonally have not had one slip when it was not needed.

[dezfan]

Rockwerks found these slipper eliminators, I like to use my slipper. But if you choose not to, the units Rockwerks found look to be well built.

slipperr eliminators on the market.

[rockwerks]

Originally Posted by dezfan

Rockwerks found these slipper eliminators, I like to use my slipper. But if you choose not to, the units Rockwerks found look to be well built.

slipperr eliminators on the market.

IVe had the slipper not allow me to climb many obstacles on the stealths that a solid version lets me walk over.....like under cuts and the like. Its a choice I choose to make. I the solid mount has given me advantages from time to time, but it does put more stress on the drive train.... something Im willing to live with

[ScaleHobbies]

Is the traxxas spur adapter #3693 the same as a slipper eliminator?

[rockwerks]

Originally Posted by ScaleHobbies

Is the traxxas spur adapter #3693 the same as a slipper eliminator?

nope its not, but you could drill out the 3 pegs and tap for 3mm then use 3 bolts to attach the spur, you will still need to run the sslipper spring and nut to retain it

[dezfan]

Originally Posted by rockwerks

IVe had the slipper not allow me to climb many obstacles on the stealths that a solid version lets me walk over.....like under cuts and the like. Its a choice I choose to make. I the solid mount has given me advantages from time to time, but it does put more stress on the drive train.... something Im willing to live with

Switch to BL and you will need the slipper or you won't finish a course ever!

[rockwerks]

Originally Posted by dezfan

Switch to BL and you will need the slipper or you won't finish a course ever!

Nope I like the OL skol BL is just more money and headache in the long run, motors have a much shorter lifespan, shorter run times, twice the money or more, and the only real advantage is weight. I have yet to see a brushless equipted rig win just because of the motor

[K_B]

My experience with brushless has been that something in the drivetrain will give before the motor stalls out. So I run a slipper. It's saved many a spur gear so far...

[dezfan]

Originally Posted by rockwerks

Nope I like the OL skol BL is just more money and headache in the long run, motors have a much shorter lifespan, shorter run times, twice the money or more, and the only real advantage is weight. I have yet to see a brushless equipted rig win just because of the motor

Say what????????????

Ok, New lathe motor average $22.00. High end ESC $85.00 - $100.00. which is $107.00 to $122.00. Mamba and HH Revolver $130.00 Pretty close in cost.

The BL will out last a Lathe by far!

I get the same or longer run times from my BL setup as my lathe/TR2 or MOPED setup.

They weigh less than half the weight which lowers your CG further and they offer MUCH more power.

BL is the superior set up by far in my opinion.

Lathes are great, don't get me wrong. But now that I had tryed the BL set up. I won't do back to one in my 2.2 rig.

[Rockpiledriver]

Originally Posted by rockwerks

Nope I like the OL skol BL is just more money and headache in the long run, motors have a much shorter lifespan, shorter run times, twice the money or more, and the only real advantage is weight. I have yet to see a brushless equipted rig win just because of the motor

Someone has not been doing their homework.

[Unholy]

Yeah... plus Dez has won with his brushless setup...
So it HAS to be the brushless...

Lord knows it aint his junk or his driving skillz!!!!!!!!!!!!

That being said... I prefer good old technology instead of the brushless.

as Dez well knows... ESC's like the Moped bring the cost way down.
Plus good old fashioned brushed is due to drop in price as BL takes off.

[rockwerks]

Originally Posted by dezfan

Say what????????????

Ok, New lathe motor average $22.00. High end ESC $85.00 - $100.00. which is $107.00 to $122.00. Mamba and HH Revolver $130.00 Pretty close in cost.

The BL will out last a Lathe by far!

I get the same or longer run times from my BL setup as my lathe/TR2 or MOPED setup.

They weigh less than half the weight which lowers your CG further and they offer MUCH more power.

BL is the superior set up by far in my opinion.

Lathes are great, don't get me wrong. But now that I had tryed the BL set up. I won't do back to one in my 2.2 rig.

lathe 65T and Mtronics programable esc.......65.00 locally still half the cost

and a lathe I can put brushes in for and bearings in for 6.00 total and extend its life indefinately. I am still running a mcallister motor that is not 15 years old and hs thousands of hours of use on it.......

[Rockpiledriver]

Originally Posted by rockwerks

lathe 65T and Mtronics programable esc.......65.00 locally still half the cost

and a lathe I can put brushes in for and bearings in for 6.00 total and extend its life indefinately. I am still running a mcallister motor that is not 15 years old and hs thousands of hours of use on it.......

Not if you never cut the comm. So go ahead and add the cost of a com lathe to your equation and you are well above the cost of a brushless and compatible esc.

[dezfan]

I don't have anyhing against the lathe or standard ESC's is any way.

But now that I have used the BL system, the advantages of the lathes just don't outweigh the advantages of the BL set up IMO.

[ScaleHobbies]

Guys,
I think we are getting a little off track here.

Matt

[dezfan]

Sorry Matt.

Either way will work for you.

As RPD stated, having the slipper adds a "fuse" in the drive train" and can save parts.

The solid setup will work great as well. It just opens up the possibility of drivetrain failure a little more.

Good Luck and hope to so your crawler soon.

Dez

[Rockpiledriver]

Originally Posted by ScaleHobbies

Guys,
I think we are getting a little off track here.

Matt

We answered your question.

Now it's debate time.

[EeePee]

Originally Posted by dezfan

They weigh less than half the weight which lowers your CG further and they offer MUCH more power.

Depends where the motor is located. If it's lower than the CoG, it'll go up.

You've decreased weight down low by switching to the lighter motor.

[RD400]

Slipper on BL, no slipper on brushed...end of story

Great point on the CG statement EeePee. If I were to replace the motor in my XL4, the CG would actually go up...