2013 Rules

[ittybitty]

Another animation is being created...gimme a few minutes...I'm hoping this might show another situation that illustrates what we're hashing out here.

[ROWDY RACING]

Originally Posted by ittybitty

Another animation is being created...gimme a few minutes...I'm hoping this might show another situation that illustrates what we're hashing out here.

Sweet, I love cartoons.

[krawlfreak]

Originally Posted by ROWDY RACING

As soon as his rear entered from the wrong direction, stop time, repo, take your points, the back flip never happens.

i can see both sides of this particuliar( NABIL"S) instance, but NOT ERIK"S VIDEO.

a few words in rule 1.10 would nix this whole situation and could squaush this for good.

[ROWDY RACING]

Originally Posted by krawlfreak

i can see both sides of this particuliar( NABIL"S) instance, but NOT ERIK"S VIDEO.

a few words in rule 1.10 would nix this whole situation and could squaush this for good.

I cannot see either instance, but if more wording is needed to make it clearer then so be it.

[krawlfreak]

Originally Posted by ROWDY RACING

I cannot see either instance, but if more wording is needed to make it clearer then so be it.

i am all for making it an illegal move either way. i think it is a serious violation of intent.

[ROWDY RACING]

Originally Posted by krawlfreak

i am all for making it an illegal move either way. i think it is a serious violation of intent.

I think it's a serious violation of the rules.

[ittybitty]

In this animation the crawler approaches the course and then hits a "bump" that causes it to land perpendicular to the gates. The driver must then reverse the rear to pull it back through the gate (wrong direction)...and then drive the truck through the gate to gain progress. Hopefully this depicts what my first animation does, but just in another way...

[krawlfreak]

Originally Posted by ittybitty

In this animation the crawler approaches the course and then hits a "bump" that causes it to land perpendicular to the gates. The driver must then reverse the rear to pull it back through the gate (wrong direction)...and then drive the truck through the gate to gain progress. Hopefully this depicts what my first animation does, but just in another way...

after hitting the bump the rear tire enterd in the right direction (during the turning of it) leaving this to not add to the arguement...

[ROWDY RACING]

Originally Posted by ittybitty

In this animation the crawler approaches the course and then hits a "bump" that causes it to land perpendicular to the gates. The driver must then reverse the rear to pull it back through the gate (wrong direction)...and then drive the truck through the gate to gain progress. Hopefully this depicts what my first animation does, but just in another way...

Legal, but irrelevant.

[ittybitty]

Yep...you're right...

[krawlfreak]

Originally Posted by ittybitty

Yep...you're right...

take your same video and make the truck centerline go over one of the gates effectively having the rear tires not enter the gate in the right direction,

now here is the area i think we are discussing.

is it o.k to reposition on the gate by driving out of it, even if your rear tires are going to enter the gate in the wrong direction.

that is what i"m gathering.

this is what rules committee is looking at.

i dont think new rules need to be written.

just a ruling on if that is legal or not legal.

[ROWDY RACING]

Originally Posted by krawlfreak

just a ruling on if that is legal or not legal.

Not legal.

[ittybitty]

Originally Posted by krawlfreak

take your same video and make the truck centerline go over one of the gates effectively having the rear tires not enter the gate in the right direction,

That's what I was trying to make happen in my head, but it didn't make it to reality quite right.

[krawlfreak]

Originally Posted by ROWDY RACING

Not legal.

agreed. that would cover this whole discusion brought to us by erik.

Originally Posted by ittybitty

That's what I was trying to make happen in my head, but it didn't make it to reality quite right.

i kinda figured.

[WAM]

Since you're all here, answer another one. At a comp this morning a car hit a marker for a later gate, not the one he was heading for. 10 points.

Question was, is it an entry penalty because you can't very well hit a marker without it also being an out of sequence entry (in order to get close enough to hit the marker)...or is it just a gate penalty? Differences are the out of sequence involves repo and the gate penalty kills that marker when he later gets to that gate in the sequence.

[JeremyH]

Originally Posted by WAM

At a comp this morning...

You guys hold comps on Tuesday mornings?

[WAM]

Originally Posted by JeremyH

You guys hold comps on Tuesday mornings?

Yessir, every Tuesday. We're a group of retired engineers off the local navy R&D base. Crawlers are the perfect toys for retired (and unretired) mechanical engineers. Winner picks lunch.

[JeremyH]

Ahh...gotcha.

Personally, and I'm just saying what I'd call as a judge, I would say that is a gate penalty and move on. It is possible to touch the outside of a gate and not be, what I'd call, "entering" the gate.

[WAM]

Originally Posted by JeremyH

Ahh...gotcha.

Personally, and I'm just saying what I'd call as a judge, I would say that is a gate penalty and move on. It is possible to touch the outside of a gate and not be, what I'd call, "entering" the gate.

That was our call too. But you could make a case for the other.

[ittybitty]

You CAN hit a gate and not enter the gate. The area BETWEEN the markers is the gate...that's why we measure the 16" between the markers...not from center to center of them.

If the driver in question hit the gate, and drove between the markers then you could and should penalize him for the gate and out of sequence.