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Rovereams, a simple pin tire method

shelljeep

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Let me start by saying these are the first custom tires I have built, and if I can do this, anyone can. This is a simple way to get some 5.8-6" tall pin tires on your rig.
I used AKA 3.8 Truggy I-Beams in the soft compound, and just laid the sidewalls of some old Rovers into the bead of the truggy tire. The Rovers have a ring under the sidelugs that I used as a guide, which made cutting them precisely super easy. The cut was made about 1/16" away from the ring, just under the sidelugs. The I-beams weren't touched with scissors. The sidewall of the truggy tires are short and pliable so I don't think I'll have a problem with them not conforming to the terrain. I'm actually hoping the ring of rubber that is doubled in the bead area will help stiffen it so it doesn't wad up in turns.

Here's a shot of everything cut, washed and ready to go. I have less than 2 hours into building these tires:
CleanReady.jpg


This is a shot of exactly where I cut the Rovers, the cut line brushed against the sidelugs as it went around. Don't just cut along the ring, it will make the sidewall slightly too small to fit easily:
RoverSideWall-1.jpg


Here's a pic of it mocked up in the I-Beam. It lays down right in the bead, kinda pops into place:
MockedUp.jpg


This shows the bead area of the I-Beam, and if you look inside the tire, you can see one of the sidewalls glued into place:
Backside-1.jpg


Here is what it looks like from the outside. I ran a bead of glue along the entire bead of the I-beam and then laid the Rover sidewall into place. You can see in the previous pic that the glue was able to bond on 2 different faces, not just a butt joint:
Glued.jpg
 
Lookin' good. I thought about going with the bigger truggy sized pin tires before I made my haterades. Did you get to that ~ 5.8" height?
 
I need to get some foams for these. I'm waiting to hear back from Eddie but I believe I will go with the Crawler InNOVAtions 5.5 DD with both tuning rings, which makes for a 6.25" tall foam. These tires are wide-wide(2.5") and I'm hoping to stretch some of that out by forcing the tire to around 6" tall with foam. They are 5.8" tall unmounted. If you have some input on foam choices, I'm all ears.
I tried a stock Rover foam(I think?) with one of the 5.5 DD soft outer rings stretched on top and it was nowhere near enough to fill the tire. Flops around with probably 1/4" space inside. I think the outer ring just compressed the rover foam instead of adding height.
It was not much taller than a Leopard that had the 5.5 DD's in it. I was "this close" to opening up a memory foam pillow to finish filling the tire.:mrgreen:
I only mounted the one tire once I found out how bad the foam situation was.
Here's a crappy comparison pic:
PantherComparo.jpg


And here is a shot of it on my LCC. Looks like I'll need to relocate my shocks again:
Mounted.jpg


I obviously haven't ran these tires yet, so I can't recommend building them this way I guess. I have a rock garden and I know what the Sedonas do well, and the Leopards also. The LCC is stable, haven't changed much on it in a while. I will have an easy time determining whether these tires work well or not. I'll report back when I get to test them, hopefully mid next week sometime. Crawler InNOVAtions isn't but half a state away from me.
 
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This is the method I used several years ago to make my Badlands based 2.2 Clod tires."thumbsup"

Cool. "thumbsup"
Do you think stretching it to 6" w/foam will have much effect on narrowing the width?
It's on a 1.4 wide RC4WD beadlock, I think running a narrower wheel would pull the bead in too far and make the sidewall unstable.
 
Cool. "thumbsup"
Do you think stretching it to 6" w/foam will have much effect on narrowing the width?
It's on a 1.4 wide RC4WD beadlock, I think running a narrower wheel would pull the bead in too far and make the sidewall unstable.


For some more gluing fun, you can section out the two pin sets in the middle to narrow them up. Thats some quality time with the glue-n-hold though.
 
Yeah, I'm hoping I don't have to do that. Looks like a learning curve is involved there for sure.
I can see my hand stuck in the "OK" position for days afterward.:mrgreen:
 
Pins are super easy to narrow as well.

Thats the same way these where made as well back in 2007..

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Those are looking good Shell! Now, spill the beans on the crawler....I think I see some Worminator axles.... :lol:

Jarod, yep, one of my first CNSs were the Badlands as well! I think I've still got them too!
 
Thanks J, yeah, those are the shafty Worminators. I need to do a build thread for the LCC. The axles work well, the clearance helps in alot of spots.
I regeared them to 25:1 so they respond the same as the stock LCC worms.
 
Crawler InNOVAtions has outstanding customer service!
He responded late last night, I placed the order, got tracking info this morning.
Eddie is on top of his business. "thumbsup"
Thanks man.
 
That sure looks ugly with the sidewall like that, but man, for the simplicity of it, it can't be beat. Good find"thumbsup"
 
The sidewall is nested into the bead of the I-beam, it doesn't stick out at all. It's hard to get the pic to show it, but it's tucked in. Looks better in person.
I think it's the shiny glue line that makes it look like it's sticking out.
 
I broke a rear axle pin about 30 minutes into the foam tuning. Now I'm hung up in the process of figuring out a draglink for BTA. And I took rhe time clearance the knuckles to maximize my steering angle.
They like soft foams I'm finding. They are also waaay too wide. I need to section out the center to bring them in. As they are, I've have them wrap around the steering arm. I'll report back once I get back to testing.
 
I made somthing similar out of some maxx pin tires and the old lizards off of my axial. I am running the stock foams out of my proline hammers and i love them. I think i will be better off when i can get some more weight on my wheels though.
 
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