TEDROCKZ
I wanna be Dave
You could do one brush in the motor at a time. No brush arcing then.
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Cutting a motor commutator & motor tweaks
- Thread starter EeePee
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You could do one brush in the motor at a time. No brush arcing then.
EddieO
I wanna be Dave
Well, the theory was, you could pack the copper on them better, so you would have shorter wire lengths and/or fit bigger wire.....
They also claimed it created a lower profile of copper on the winds, so the arm had less drag when spinning up (gotta love trinity advertising sometimes)...
In reality......they didn't really pack tighter on most winds......wire length was pretty much always the same.......and I surely never noticed a motor spin up better with it......on top of that, the stuff was a bitch to wind with, some winds were not even possible with it, as it just would not fit right on the arm....plus the stuff was expensive.....
I will point out though, we never tried with wires as small as we do now for crawling, though I dunno if they even make it that small.....I can ask...
So basically........it didn't really do anything positive, but it didn't do anything bad.......
There is another thing trinity used to use on their mods I am gonna try.....I think it will actually be beneficial in crawling. I have some on order and should be here any day....
Later EddieO
They also claimed it created a lower profile of copper on the winds, so the arm had less drag when spinning up (gotta love trinity advertising sometimes)...
In reality......they didn't really pack tighter on most winds......wire length was pretty much always the same.......and I surely never noticed a motor spin up better with it......on top of that, the stuff was a bitch to wind with, some winds were not even possible with it, as it just would not fit right on the arm....plus the stuff was expensive.....
I will point out though, we never tried with wires as small as we do now for crawling, though I dunno if they even make it that small.....I can ask...
So basically........it didn't really do anything positive, but it didn't do anything bad.......
There is another thing trinity used to use on their mods I am gonna try.....I think it will actually be beneficial in crawling. I have some on order and should be here any day....
Later EddieO
EddieO
I wanna be Dave
On the break in method..........I've done every way you can imagine really....I never recommend using another motor or a drill to do it......the best way is to just let it run at a low voltage for 5+ minutes until they are seated.....unless you want to get a fussybrush system, if you can find one....that was the only other method I would endorse to speed it up...
Later EddieO
Later EddieO
EddieO
I wanna be Dave
Ah, old kyosho motors......I've owned most of them at least once....I still have some nice examples of a few of them....
Some of them sure would be neat to mess around with for crawling....
Later EddieO
Some of them sure would be neat to mess around with for crawling....
Later EddieO
Another 35 turn from Br00d I just gots. Notice the + after the 35? :twisted:
Or is that a t for turn? :lmao:
My other Br00d doesn't have it, so to me, it's a +. :mrgreen:
Notice no drill holes for balancing, but little yellow epoxy dots.
I quote, "no steel gone from the arm and a shit ton of copper on it."
Giggity.
Or is that a t for turn? :lmao:
My other Br00d doesn't have it, so to me, it's a +. :mrgreen:
Notice no drill holes for balancing, but little yellow epoxy dots.
I quote, "no steel gone from the arm and a shit ton of copper on it."
Giggity.
Using it in a 4 mag or two mag can? I have been slotting arms lately to get the detent torque a bit lower.
TEDROCKZ
I wanna be Dave
TEDROCKZ
I wanna be Dave
Cool stuff Eee Pee"thumbsup"
I got a pair of those +/t's coming also
I got a pair of those +/t's coming also
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Yep, slotted like that. There are other ways around lowering the detent torque too. I prefer the 5 slot arms since it goes way beyond what a 4 mag or slotted arm can do on the low speed control.
20.5ga is what we have been using on the team motors as well EeePee. It will have some honking power, but will wear out faster too. Super drivers seem to prefer the slotted arm or 4 magnet can, while most of my 2.2 drivers seem to prefer the 2 magnet can to keep the low end kick for breaking traction.
20.5ga is what we have been using on the team motors as well EeePee. It will have some honking power, but will wear out faster too. Super drivers seem to prefer the slotted arm or 4 magnet can, while most of my 2.2 drivers seem to prefer the 2 magnet can to keep the low end kick for breaking traction.
EddieO
I wanna be Dave
The just a trinity arm.....they had tokoyo mechs put the slot down the center as a guide for the balancing holes....unique thing about the trinity arms a lot of people don't know, is that they are actually 5.5mm.
The t was for team, so I didn't get them mixed up with the other 35 turn motors I was doing that day......
Slotting arms is old, been done since the 80s....it fell out a favor for a long time because it lowers the efficiency of the motor, but as battery capacity got crazy in the early 2000's, Orion started messing with them again, with Marc Rhienard winning his first world title with one. They don't just mess with the torque, they massively change the powerband, increase overall power, and spool up very fast.....
I've planned to market them, but I haven't got to test them as much as I would like till now.....I ran 40t Super Slots at the last comp in my truck.....stupid amounts of power. The other testers loved them....
This is Novembers Limited Edition...
Later EddieO
The t was for team, so I didn't get them mixed up with the other 35 turn motors I was doing that day......
Slotting arms is old, been done since the 80s....it fell out a favor for a long time because it lowers the efficiency of the motor, but as battery capacity got crazy in the early 2000's, Orion started messing with them again, with Marc Rhienard winning his first world title with one. They don't just mess with the torque, they massively change the powerband, increase overall power, and spool up very fast.....
I've planned to market them, but I haven't got to test them as much as I would like till now.....I ran 40t Super Slots at the last comp in my truck.....stupid amounts of power. The other testers loved them....
This is Novembers Limited Edition...
Later EddieO
TEDROCKZ
I wanna be Dave
I agree also. the nats winning motors were two magnet cans.
Pic of one of them...31Ts, weird wind # huh!
EddieO
I wanna be Dave
You are removing steel from the arm.......RPM goes up, overall power goes up. It's very similar to a 4mm arm, but the way the arm reacts to the magnets is different....the slot basically lets it glide past the magnets easier. I've tried them in 4 magnet cans.....including my own rig, while the power was beyond nutty, the drag brake isn't great. The low speed control is awesome......from testing, 2 magnet cans seem the best with them.
While you can drill balance them, it just takes MORE steel out of the arm, thus making more RPM and more power......plus balancing them isn't so easy, as your going WAY down into the armature. It took a bit, but I found the epoxy balancing putty. Everyone used to get it through LRP, but I talked to Andreas and he told me the company went out of business......so, after some searching and emails, I found a quaility replacement (might even be the same stuff, just the US company)....
When Orion won worlds with them, they did some stuff to make drill balancing very minimal....arms were cherry-picked and then wound a certain way.....if arm needed too much correction, it was tossed....
Later EddieO
While you can drill balance them, it just takes MORE steel out of the arm, thus making more RPM and more power......plus balancing them isn't so easy, as your going WAY down into the armature. It took a bit, but I found the epoxy balancing putty. Everyone used to get it through LRP, but I talked to Andreas and he told me the company went out of business......so, after some searching and emails, I found a quaility replacement (might even be the same stuff, just the US company)....
When Orion won worlds with them, they did some stuff to make drill balancing very minimal....arms were cherry-picked and then wound a certain way.....if arm needed too much correction, it was tossed....
Later EddieO
In leet speek we call this field weakening.
Do want. Don't even know what some of that stuff does, but I still want it.:ror:
