Broken gears before I even made it outside to try out my XR10

[BFGcrawler418]

I really don't think its that big of a deal guys. Every rig that has come out has had some type of problem take rc4wd when the gears would not spin because they had a bad mesh, or tlt's when c's would brake instantly right after the pinions would shear teeth off or the axle shafts on bergs braking pins or the third gears in berg that would snap or the bad batch of losi gears or the stock lockers that came in the ax10... get the point?

Fact is we are hard on things and some parts are just not up to the standards of what we do to them, its the whole reason there is after market support. Don't beat up Axial to much they still put out the best crawler kit that has ever hit the shelves. We should all feel lucky TLT axles are not the only option we have for 2.2's.

Just because other rigs havehad problems doesnt mean that the issues should not be address by the company itself. My losi night crawler has many hours on it, never once had a gear issue, thats because losi fixed the problem.

I can not believe that this issue never appeared when these vehicles were in the testing phase, like i said in a previous post, if your going to design something it should always be over enineered because someone is always going to push it above its limits.

oh and for the guys who have not had any problems with their bearings yet.....Take a video of you going from full throttle to reverse several times, lets see if it holds up:twisted:

 

[ThinkTank]

It's always the 2010 guys. :roll:

 

[TURTLE]

It's always the 2010 guys. :roll:

It sure is.:lmao:

 

[xv-townboy]

It's always the 2010 guys. :roll:

Ya and its always the pre-2010 that roll over and take it

I feel bad for the guys that have had their gear or bearings blow out in the first few runs..That sucks azz big time

 

[ThinkTank]

Axial knew well ahead of time what kind of abuse we can put the trucks through. Yet they still do not have and do not appear to be working on a solution. As stated before, they directed one customer to another bearing company to get better bearings.

The fact that there is a Serious known issue with the truck should be enough to get them hopping.

The berg axles were an accident that RCC vendors managed to fix. Axial designed a brand new truck from the ground up. Do you have any idea what R&D costs? Sony spent 1 BILLION for the PS2 that went for $300.

Axial isn't a mega corporation like other companies. Not to mention the initial investments for manufacture, or the state of the economy. IMHO Axial isn't stepping up for cost reasons. The AX-10 has sold 15,000 units so figure the same projections for the XR-10, spending just $50 per kit comes out to $750,000. I'd rather have Axial around than bankrupt. :roll:

Every ambitious project in the history of mankind has had bugs. Anybody here remember Axial's Rock Lizards/Rockstars? Both sucked and I'm sure Axial took a financial hit for that too.

If your not happy with your $300 kit that has a damn good chassis, shocks, wheels spend the $300 on a pair of berg axles. God help Axial if a $300 kit w/ no aftermarket is coming up short versus a 2 year developed $1500 platform.

You guys don't know how good the XR10 kit is by itself nor do you appreciate it.
It sure looks way different after considering the big picture instead of focusing on simple minded pettiness. :roll:

 

[4xFord]

While all that is true Turtle, people have to remember though that thoses TLTs and Bergs were never designed to put up with what we put them through now. Berg axles wetr never designed to be Hardcore axles.
Axial knew well ahead of time what kind of abuse we can put the trucks through. Yet they still do not have and do not appear to be working on a solution. As stated before, they directed one customer to another bearing company to get better bearings.

The fact that there is a Serious known issue with the truck should be enough to get them hopping. People are counting on this truck to work right out of the box, people have given Axial the benefit of the doubt when they preordered the kits. They put a lot of faith and patience into them, trusting that the kit would work well. Axial owes it to the consumer to make it right.

This is a Pro Level kit. It should be able to take more than 30 seconds of abuse. My stock berg axles too 3 months of abuse before snapping a dogbone and almost a year before giving up a 3rd gear. Enroute is not standing behind or supporting our sport at all. They just keep throwing parts and a few new thinga around every once in a while.
Axial is a HUGE contributor to us and our sport. They should make it right. It would be a wise business decision and a honorable one.

Upgrading our equipment has never been a necessity, always and option. This is an obvious necessity. The truck was designed to compete, it is supposed to be a comp ready kit. Just as a blender is designed to blend and chop up food. Now if a blender took a dump after 30 seconds of blending something. We would expect a replacement or a revised model. Why is this any different with the comp truck. Some of them have competed for 30 seconds on the rocks and failed. This is just not an acceptable thing to have happen.

Axial is a standup company that makes great products and takes care of their customers. They really need to take the initiative in making this work instead of relying on the aftermarket to fix THEIR obvious quality issue.

Very very well said. "thumbsup"

 

[Chargerguy]

So do you guys think the vp bearings http://www.vanquishproducts.com/xr10-transmision-breaing-k10.html will work or do I have to do the 9mm mod.

Just having to avoid drilling/getting correct bearings etc.

Looking for a more "plug and play solution" but I dont want to put anything in that is going to be upgraded again in the near future

I have the VP bushings and run 2 hard packs through so far and tore down to check and see no sign of wear yet.

If you do get them the site says deburr the motor plate with an exactoknife and that is true for all but the center hole. The bushing should press fit that one without deburring.

When you do deburr hold the knife on an angle and just slightly take the anodizing off the edges and that should be enough to get a nice press fit on the outboard 2 flanged bearing seats.

Also the kit comes with enough bushings to replace all the bearings in the housing and I would suggest doing so and not mixing it up with the questionable kit bearings.

No stripped gears yet (knock on wood) , good luck"thumbsup"

 

[neilus]

Take a video of you going from full throttle to reverse several times, lets see if it holds up:twisted:

Is any RC kit designed with that in mind? I think not.

 

[jcboof]

Is any RC kit designed with that in mind? I think not.

A stock Axial AX10 will hold up to it.......without grenading bearings and gears

Axial has the ability to make a product revision, and it would not bankrupt them.
I'm sure they are working on it, they are probably just choosing to hold out on telling us till they get it right.

 

[Turn'Nburn]

Very very well said. "thumbsup"

X2, it seems way to common to have been just "overlooked", and this kit's release date was pushed back several times. doesn't matter for me though i guess, mine is now on order.

question: how much material is removed with a dremel after drilling with the 11/16 bit?


@jcboof do you have a XR10? i frequent the Rox Box and thought i saw you posted that you did as well. i havn't put screennames to faces very well yet. djohn brought his to the last comp, but i don't know what mods he's done to it so far or how it's holding up.

 

[Fattymojo]

So do you guys think the vp bearings http://www.vanquishproducts.com/xr10-transmision-breaing-k10.html will work or do I have to do the 9mm mod.

Just having to avoid drilling/getting correct bearings etc.

Looking for a more "plug and play solution" but I dont want to put anything in that is going to be upgraded again in the near future

They are working for me so far.

It's always the 2010 guys. :roll:

Yeah, the new guys arent used to getting bent over yet. :roll:

 

[jcboof]

@jcboof do you have a XR10? i frequent the Rox Box and thought i saw you posted that you did as well. i havn't put screennames to faces very well yet. djohn brought his to the last comp, but i don't know what mods he's done to it so far or how it's holding up.

I don't have an XR10 yet, but a lot of people around me do, and yes, they have all failed.

Its been a while since I've been to the Box, but I do know that Doug is having good luck with his, but I'm sure he upgraded it.

 

[Barry G]

I've trashed 2 sets of gears now, and did it quickly. The Vanquish bushings seem to have solved my problem. I will spend money to upgrade it but wish there was more agreement on what the problem actually is. My plan is to put in Boca bearings, HR motor plate and the HR aluminum gear case and do it front and rear. Let's all be grateful to the after market for supplying this stuff. Also, right now, I don't feel like giving Axial any more of my money. Maybe that will change in time. We'll see.

 

[djjiz]

Do the gears cost less to make then an updated motor plate with the same quality bearings but 5x9?

 

[TURTLE]

A stock Axial AX10 will hold up to it......

HA the stock lockers won't.

They are working for me so far.


Yeah, the new guys arent used to getting bent over yet. :roll:

Ha I don't think you get it, this is the best and cheapest to every come out and a lot of people are complaining, and frankly the complaints seem to be based around those lacking experience.

Many of you really do need to step back and look at the big picture and what a huge thing Axial did from scratch.

 

[Cruzin Illusion]

HA the stock lockers won't.



Ha I don't think you get it, this is the best and cheapest to every come out and a lot of people are complaining, and frankly the complaints seem to be based around those lacking experience.

Many of you really do need to step back and look at the big picture and what a huge thing Axial did from scratch.

Agreed!!!

I have nevered purchased an RC anything that did not have to have sometype of upgrade to it. I will tell you this is the only kit that I have put together and with no practice go out and win a comp. The modification to go with bigger bearings is not that hard and will solve your problems. If you have problem with the mod PM me and I will help you out.

 

[overland_yj]

HA the stock lockers won't.



Ha I don't think you get it, this is the best and cheapest to every come out and a lot of people are complaining, and frankly the complaints seem to be based around those lacking experience.

Many of you really do need to step back and look at the big picture and what a huge thing Axial did from scratch.

so what your saying is that if someone hasnt been sitting at home surfing the net and stumbled across this site so many years ago they "lack experience"? hmmm.... I would hazard a guess that many of the "experienced" guys tend to keep quiet and just watch the craziness instead of becomeing a part of it all the time.

I for one wont be buying one until axial addresses the issues and doesnt pass it on to me.

 

[jcboof]

So what we are coming to is that this problem is an acceptable one? I could understand if someone has been beating on it and the parts eventually failed. That would be acceptable to me. But to have someone spend 3 hours builiding a quality kit to go out and havw the parts prematurely fail within minutes is just not acceptable.

I've seen EXPERIENCED builders build this truck with the same problems. Yes, upgrades are part of the game, but a poorly designed part or parts should not make that upgrade to be a necessity. At this point its not really an upgrade, but a necessary REPAIR to make the kit work properly. It was an obvious oversight. Axial did do one hell of a job designing and producing an EXTREMELY well though out and capable kit, but there is one little problem that is causing a lot of undue stress and expenses to people who otherwise thought this will be a build and play kit. Not a build and play for 30 seconds and spend more money to fix it right kit.

Each new product will have its growing pains. I just hope axial recognizes and adresses the issue.

The repair mod is any easy one and anyone who is capable of building this kit whould be able to accomplish it. But IMO they shouldn't be required to do it just to be able to enjoy the product as it was intended to be used.

The price on the kit is great, and most anyone who could afford to build an ax10 can afford to get a very capable MOA kit.
Everything else on the kit is great, I just wish they would offer a revised part to the future batches. They don't need to go out giving free revised parts to those who received the initial run of them, just make it right on the next batch.


If this is an acceptable issue, I just hope that those that are accepting this issue at least got a complimentary reach around..

 

[clarkrw3]

People have ZERO perspective!! The AX10 that everyone loves so much....broken gears, lockers, drive shafts (with a 35 integy motor I twisted my front shaft off and that was with the UPGRADED metal retaining rings), Trans output shafts, No dig, needed an added slipper (for durability sake).
I am not even going to go into TLT, Berg, Bully, LCC.

This is a PHENOMENAL kit!! It does have some weak spots and those are NOT the gears! The motor plate is the real problem and with that the small bearings. I would say 75% is that the bearings fit so sloppy in the motor plate. From there the bearings are undersized for the application. So what most of us upgraded the motor plate in the AX10 as well, it allowed slippage that ate up the spur gear. Stop complaining and fix the problem, it's what crawlers have been doing since the beginning!! Be happy you know what the problem is and that the lockers, universals...etc are holding up really well!

The only complaint I have had is the kit is pretty difficult to put together correctly due to all the different screw sizes and putting it together correctly is SUPER important to it actually not blowing up.

 

[clarkrw3]

I've seen EXPERIENCED builders build this truck with the same problems. Yes, upgrades are part of the game, but a poorly designed part or parts should not make that upgrade to be a necessity. At this point its not really an upgrade, but a necessary REPAIR to make the kit work properly. It was an obvious oversight. Axial did do one hell of a job designing and producing an EXTREMELY well though out and capable kit, but there is one little problem that is causing a lot of undue stress and expenses to people who otherwise thought this will be a build and play kit. Not a build and play for 30 seconds and spend more money to fix it right kit.

I built mine ran Brood 45T's on 3S for two comps, don't even know how many packs and only one bearing had let go when I opened it up. It was the middle one (the loosest one). Gears break due to bearing failure or due to improper screw placement!

I am pretty sure I couldn't have done that with a ARTR AX10!!! Mine broke practicing on its second pack.