Crawler Innovations Block Comp Tire

[Tgreer]

White blocks

I just ordered a set of four white blocks for $34.00 from xshobby. I didn't think that was a bad price shipped to my door. I will get them put together and give some input. I am currently running red khaos. My theory is that my red khaos will be good for the cooler weather, and the white blocks will be better for the warmer stuff.

 

[Aussie Nerd]

Am I correct in saying the block tires aren't listed on the CI website? Also is it correct that reds are the most popular choice? And finally from what Eddie said about sidewalls not really mattering I should be fine using some old comp claw side walls I have?

Thanks in advance"thumbsup"
Kieren

 

[ittybitty]

You are correct! The reds are on backorder everywhere for a while now. You can still find some whites and pinks, but even they are disappearing. Eddie took them off of his site to reduce confusion in ordering them.

 

[Szczerba]

Am I correct in saying the block tires aren't listed on the CI website? Also is it correct that reds are the most popular choice? And finally from what Eddie said about sidewalls not really mattering I should be fine using some old comp claw side walls I have?

Thanks in advance
Kieren

Reds are the most popular now because that is what we started testing with. The pinks and whites have their places too. The whites are showing some signs of being a good comp tire in really warm conditions (as per Chaotic Crawlers testing). I have not tested the whites yet. Reds are working where I am at and the pinks will be tested in cooler months.
Sidewalls shouldn't really matter. Use whatever you have with a decent crawling compound setup.

You are correct! The reds are on backorder everywhere for a while now. You can still find some whites and pinks, but even they are disappearing. Eddie took them off of his site to reduce confusion in ordering them.

Amainhobbies has some whites. But I am sure Eddie does too.

 

[Szczerba]

I am still unsure of what tire I will run at nationals. I will bring a Khaos setup and a Block setup, both in red.

Hit me up if anyone wants to test them out after the comp.

 

[Nova's Ark]

Am I correct in saying the block tires aren't listed on the CI website? Also is it correct that reds are the most popular choice? And finally from what Eddie said about sidewalls not really mattering I should be fine using some old comp claw side walls I have?

Thanks in advance"thumbsup"
Kieren

The Blocks are not on the Crawler Innovations web site because I do not have any red compound Blocks to sell. That is what everyone wants. I do have some White and Pink compound Blocks in stock.

Hot Bodies is out of stock of Red Blocks at the National Level. They have been sold out for two months now. I am being told mid to late September before they will have more. Also adding to the Block supply problem is that HB made a mistake at the factory and a bunch of Khaos tires went out labeled as Blocks.

Which compound is going to come to personal choice ultimately. I like the red compound myself and prefer it. But terrain, rc crawlers, set up, driving style, etc... all play into how a tire will perform for the particular driver.

 

[Chaotic Crawlers]

I will be testing my whites out tonight at a different location than before.
I known the area like the back of my hand, so I will have a good gauge of how well the whites handle the terrain."thumbsup"

 

[Aussie Nerd]

Seems like red might be the best choice, when you get some in Eddie I'll have to hit you up.

Szczerba, Chaotic Crawlers, what temp is "really warm" to you? In summer here (next season, we're opposite you) it's most likely going to be around 90 degree with high humidity on average? Is that white heat yet, or still red:ror:

Sorry for all the Q's, this tire/foam business is still new to me.

Cheers"thumbsup"
Kieren

 

[Szczerba]

Seems like red might be the best choice, when you get some in Eddie I'll have to hit you up.

Szczerba, Chaotic Crawlers, what temp is "really warm" to you? In summer here (next season, we're opposite you) it's most likely going to be around 90 degree with high humidity on average? Is that white heat yet, or still red:ror:

Sorry for all the Q's, this tire/foam business is still new to me.

CheersKieren

Best Guess. Maybe Eddie can chime in and agree/disagree.
I have not tested whites. Other than one run in the Khaos tread at ECC.

"Pink" heat will be tested below 60 degrees this winter.
"Red" heat is around 60-95 degrees with full or partial sun.
"White" heat would be anything above 95 degrees in the direct sun.


I have comp'd in 100 degree weather with the red blocks and they held up but that was in almost full shade.
I have ran the khaos red's in all temps with good luck. There are some slight variations with temp's but not enough to greatly effect performance, IMO. I can noticed the tire behavior change but they still have performed good.

I believe Chaotic Crawlers is up in Utah where the temps can get as hot or hotter than down here (95+) where I am at but he gets less humidity.
I bet the whites would work fine in the mid to low nineties. Just don't take my word on that. I will probably get a set of whites after nationals.

If you are going to run memory outers in high heat conditions, I would suggest inner wheel supports up front. The memories make the tires handle great but you loose some sidehill since the foam gets really soft in hot temps.

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[Nova's Ark]

Seems like red might be the best choice, when you get some in Eddie I'll have to hit you up.

Szczerba, Chaotic Crawlers, what temp is "really warm" to you? In summer here (next season, we're opposite you) it's most likely going to be around 90 degree with high humidity on average? Is that white heat yet, or still red:ror:

Sorry for all the Q's, this tire/foam business is still new to me.

Cheers"thumbsup"
Kieren

My issue with the White dot compound is the tire carcass. I like the lug integrity of white pins, but even with belt sanding, the white tire carcass is double the thickness of the White Rover and White Sedona. That inhibits how the tire will flex.

That said, I personally have not invested a ton of time into foam tuning or testing of the white compound. GateKeeper (current 2.2 National Champion) has been testing with White Khaos and actually likes the White on the front and red on the rear. I suppose you could go with softer foams on the white to compensate for the thicker tire carcass.

I don't know. I'm not an expert, I just play one on the internet:lmao:. In all seriousness, RC Crawlers are just to unique to the driver / builder & terrain. Crawler Innovations goal is to offer the tools for those who want to win. By giving the customer all the options, they can make an informed decision and hopefully a wise purchase that will put them in the best position to win.

As for the heat, I'm in Texas. What more need I say? 76 days of over 100* degrees temperatures this summer and %^*@ing counting! I have been running all three compounds in this record heat wave and I still prefer the red. The pink seems a little soft in the heat. My rock piles get direct sun during the first half of the day, and they are hot with this scorching heat and humidity.

 

[Harvo]

Eddie, In all that Texas sun and heat, what outer foam do you use in the red chaos?

 

[Szczerba]

Eddie, In all that Texas sun and heat, what outer foam do you use in the red chaos?

I'm not Eddie, :ror: , but I live about 2.5 hours from Eddie, so I get roughly the same weather.
Memory outers with various outer tuning rings is what works best for me in the Khaos tires, in warm temps. I have found running an inner support ring up front helps sidewall stability. I like the memories all around with front inner support rings because it greatly reduces bounce, in addition to other things.
I have found you can go pretty soft up front as long as you have support.

Various memory foam setups in Khaos tires here.
My setup at post #110
Eddies light truck setup (non memory) #118
Videos @ #127 of my memory setup
http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=271124&page=6

There are a couple non-memory khaos setups in previous posts in the khaos thread.

 

[Harvo]

I'm not Eddie, :ror: , but I live about 2.5 hours from Eddie, so I get roughly the same weather.
Memory outers with various outer tuning rings is what works best for me in the Khaos tires, in warm temps. I have found running an inner support ring up front helps sidewall stability. I like the memories all around with front inner support rings because it greatly reduces bounce, in addition to other things.
I have found you can go pretty soft up front as long as you have support.

Various memory foam setups in Khaos tires here.
My setup at post #110
Eddies light truck setup (non memory) #118
Videos @ #127 of my memory setup


http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=271124&page=6

There are a couple non-memory khaos setups in previous posts in the khaos thread.

When you say support rings, you are not talking about foam right? It's those hard support rings you made?

 

[Szczerba]

When you say support rings, you are not talking about foam right? It's those hard support rings you made?

Yes, delrin, plastic, etc. Wider the better. The skinny ones I made are ok but you would ideally want two of those rings spaced apart a bit on one wheel.

 

[Chaotic Crawlers]

All the testing I have done has been around 100* in direct sunlight all day.
In the desert there is not really an shade.

In the mornings when it's still cool and around 80* the reds shine.
Once it gets up to temp everything changes.
Some people say that they experience the loss in traction with all tires they have tried.
The pins seems to be affected more than others though.

I will agree with Eddie, the white carcass is noticeably stiffer.
I hated them on Wednesday. The terrain really requires a tire that conforms to the terrain and the white block wasn't handling the terrain very well.

So far the best pin setup I've seen out here was a BC rear with sedonas up front.

The smoothness of a pin in the rear, but with loads of Sedona forward bite in front!

I'll continue trying new things with these. Its cooling off now in Utah, so the reds might be a good choice now.

So far my experience has been very inconsistent.
Sometimes they feel incredible and other times they feel not very good.
I will admit that i refuse to use memory foams and im sure there are other foam setups I could try.

 

[Szczerba]

I will admit that i refuse to use memory foams and im sure there are other foam setups I could try.

Good stuff. Sounds like the temps in your area really effect these tires.
If you going to be in Vegas next week. Come find me if you want.
You can try out the red compounds with memory foams. Probably be my tire for the comp. Well, until I get out there and run a few lines. :ror:

 

[baddman]

So far my experience has been very inconsistent.
Sometimes they feel incredible and other times they feel not very good.

So far I'm finding the same with pins when they hook up your loving it, but then the sedonas hook up most of the time.
Last weekend was the first time the pins totally out performed my sedonas.
I like running the pins cuz once u groove the rovers/sedonas your done and its no fun, but the pins you can mess with all day. Haaaa

 

[Chaotic Crawlers]

Good stuff. Sounds like the temps in your area really effect these tires.
If you going to be in Vegas next week. Come find me if you want.
You can try out the red compounds with memory foams. Probably be my tire for the comp. Well, until I get out there and run a few lines. :ror:

unfortunately I wont be there!
but nick(the other half of CC) will be there"thumbsup"
it's my sons 1st birthday on saturday otherwise I would definately be there!

I appreciate the offer though!

 

[Monstergt]

I've got a set of pinks and whites to play with. I tried my foam set up from the pinks and the whites and and they just felt to firm to the touch. That was a medium inner and medium outer. I had a set of 2" firm inners and soft outers. I wont really know more till I can go run it.

 

[Szczerba]

I've got a set of pinks and whites to play with. I tried my foam set up from the pinks and the whites and and they just felt to firm to the touch. That was a medium inner and medium outer. I had a set of 2" firm inners and soft outers. I wont really know more till I can go run it.

Everyone's truck, terrian and weather are different. Guess ya gotta start somewhere.
Usually the med/med setup is a good starting point for the rear. I would try the med inner/soft outer in the front. Depending on rig weight, sidehill stability, etc.

Also, are your whites belt sanded inside the tire?
The pinks are soft enough to not need internal sanding. For me, they are too soft to test until the temps drop below 60 down here in the south. Or some wet rock.

One of the two main things i have found in the different compounds is lug integrity and overall tire softness. The lug integrity between pinks and reds is really noticeable to me.