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Direct electronics vendor challenge!

Would you buy an engine sound simulator for your RC?


  • Total voters
    30
COGfounder, this is a warning that worthless posts like that without tech or reason for existing in this thread will be deleted. We are aware of what you are looking for now, but since you have resulted to name calling and such you will be given no slack on these rules.
 
COGfounder, this is a warning that worthless posts like that without tech or reason for existing in this thread will be deleted. We are aware of what you are looking for now, but since you have resulted to name calling and such you will be given no slack on these rules.


Can you please show me what post you are refering to?

I think this just turned into an issue we should deal with in IM's

I will look for your responce there, SIR.

Awaiting your responce, Dave
 
I didnt mean you, sorry if you thought that.

I understand what the point of the thread is, i just think some people forget that its not as easy as it seems.

Things always seem simple enough, but man in my biz I would make all kinds of scale things to entertain scaler freaks.

Its meerly the cost to produce ratio that says it isnt going to happen.

i didnt say i could make one myself, jeezus! chill out bruh'
im just sayin that it could be made in a way of some form, but i wouldnt say it would be of REAL v8 quality sound.
quite honestly > i wouldnt want it....after listening to that sound clip i provided got to my nerves before it ended. lol
 
COGfounder, this is a warning that worthless posts like that without tech or reason for existing in this thread will be deleted. We are aware of what you are looking for now, but since you have resulted to name calling and such you will be given no slack on these rules.

I just got CROWNED from a mod.

Truth is, he was right.

I am truly sorry if I offended ANYONE.

I am just sombody that hits back HARD,
even if I only get slapped lightly.

I am sorry, it's a personality issue
I am working hard to correct.

Forgive me, please.
 
There are certainly people on this forum who's instant response is one of three things...
1 - Why would you want that?
2 - It cant be done
3 - Its already been done, and we dont need anything else remotely similar

For examples of this attitude, please refer to my BEC-RX Adapter thread in Electronics, and the awesome Wraith diff-lock thread.

There will always be those people... but your quote on "Impossible is just an attitude" is the attitude that keeps things moving around here. Otherwise we'd still be using Clodbusters with modified race chassis and cut tyres. (yes I have been here that long!!)

Regardless of the crap in this thread... I still think its a valid question/challenge. Its one I've been thinking on for about 6months actually.
I dont agree with the fact it should be made in America.. actually I couldn't care less where its made but I dont really want to spend $130odd on a device thats made for airplanes and trains.

Lets keep this thread constructive... put our minds together and see if we can come up with a solution. "thumbsup"
 
just a guy with money to spend. oh well...

How much you got to spend? I'll get it done, you pay for any and all R&D costs associated with this and get no profit from any of the sales, only a single unit.

This is the problem you miss. R&D costs on this would be upwards of $2000 nearly instantly before you even make the first board. Lets assume you sell 100 and judging from this thread, not even 100 people want this. Assuming the R&D doesn't extend past $1000 that's $20 to each of the 100 units. So now your $50 price tag becomes $30 to include components and labor as well as some slim margin of profit.
 
OH BTW, it would be called an altinator.
You know, the ripple current source................................................

WTF is an altinator?

And, incase you know as much about cars as you do electronics, an alternator is driven by a mechanical force, in a vehicle, you have a pulley on the crankshaft and a pulley on your alternator, with a belt between the two pulleys. As the crankshaft spins, it spins the alternator. The alternator produces an AC voltage. And if your unaware of what AC voltage is, it pushes power through a wire, then it pulls it back through. Pushing power into a battery then pulling it back out doesn't charge a battery. Some circuitry is added to prevent it from pulling the power back out of the battery, so the battery can charge. But there are pauses in the input power. These pauses is what creates the ripple in voltage.

Now what you're saying is to take a smaller motor, and have a battery spin it. This won't create the ripple we need, its pulling power, it isn't generating power. You would need to make an rc alternator, and figure out a way to have the main motor spin it in a mechanical fashion (with gears, a pulley system, chain driven, what ever). Then, yes....maybe the ripple could be read if it was charging its own separate battery. As the main battery voltage isn't steady at all when its powering a motor through a modern esc. and i'm sure an RC alternator isn't very cheap to make.

I see no possible way, how powering a small motor form the power going to the main will generate electricity. We aren't trying to make the rpm's go from 20,000 rpm down to 2000 rpm so the sound racer has proper sense. It doesn't detect rpms from something like this. It detects the ripple in voltage that an alternator creates. Faking that ripple requires special equipment to detect the frequency at different rpms and how sinusoidal the ripple is. Then faking that ripple takes quite abit of circuitry and lots of trial and error. And the simple fact is, time invested into it alone, is not worth the investment for the extremely small market. JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT 20 OF THEM, does not mean its a heavy hitter. It is cool, but it'll get annoying, especially if it doesn't sound very realistic.

If this task is as simple as you think it is, then sit down a build it yourself with "print-out resist paper on an etch board!", do they even make that anymore?

Or am I some alien whose 20 buck membership means my thoughts are less than some 100 buck guy who just keeps saying things cant be done?

These 100 buck guys know what the hell they're talking about and sell to the rc market. They know how large the market is and what to expect in sells, they know the costs involved in producing a product, they know the amount of time it'll take to develop a product, they know how much it'll cost to develop a product. They aren't saying it can't be done, they are saying at the price you are requesting and the size of the market, its not worth it. 100-125ish, it be worth it. 50ish, hell no. Its damn near impossible to create a quality american made(as much as possible)/american designed product that cheap in low quantities. If we're talking thousands of units a year being sold, yea its 100% possible and probably worth it, but we're talking 50-100 units a year. At this quantity, they are no where near affordable to make, and minimal profit doesn't pay for the time and cost spent in developing and marketing the product.

From the sounds of it, you're retired and have plenty of time and money. So how about you get a blue star, and sell these. It shouldn't be too hard for you to get some "print-out resist paper on an etch board!" and make these.

If you want some cheap, barely functional pos sound generator, go talk to the chinese, otherwise deal with the higher prices.
 
And by they way. I did do something with losikid.
He came together with my idea and took it to the next level.

He should be selling them very soon.

Yea, if i invest time and money into a product, i'll maximize its potential....i'm not sure how much more scale and functional this could of been made.

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/AS7441jzzbnBCkQNIMPU9NPMR1T2u96eWW77xzbRLL4?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-YdRxrbImyGg/T_pMZ29PCZI/AAAAAAAAE0g/8dumnApg6PY/s288/MVI_1233.jpg" height="216" width="288" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/losikid/SwitchBoardProto?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCPaO3sbGtMiXOQ&feat=embedwebsite">Switch Board proto</a></td></tr></table>
 
Just food for thought.

As I spoke to Losikid earlier this evening.

I spent a great deal of the evening talking to a frw people, watching several videos on several youtube and RC websites, and even reading about the very few boards available.

Here is my thoughts.
The best one I heard doesnt even exist anymore.
Though there wasnt enought info available on it, it did sound rather realistic.

The second best was made by some guy with a mustang motor in it, but it had an issue and Ill hit that later.

The third was the mtroniks board, it sounded realistic even when it was reving up.

Fourth was Tamiya's system.
Problem with that syst is the annoying turn signal and horn. And the more annoying fact that the truck revs up, but never makes sounds of shifting gears.

And then the ram which to me isnt bad for a 4 banger, but i believe it was made for tanks and altered.

The big isue is and it was among all the units was sometimes it would delay or make sounds too soon.

Again as it has been mentioned, it would take a great deal of work to get to a final product.
 

That could yield some interesting results if one was to tie in lots of sensors. Use the trigger/channel position for the throttle position, then tap into the sensors on a brushless motor, or an rpm sensor and get the motor speed. Calibrate the "unloaded" speeds into it. So this will give you different tones depending how stressed the engine/motor is.

Too bad they'll only sell tone samples, not any software on how to make em play together
 
Play with this abit norm, imagine the little slider on the right is the position of your trigger (press the play button in the center to load the sound)

<object width="535" height="186">
<param name="movie" value="http://sonory.org/swf/player.swf"/>
<param name="flashvars" value="url=http://sonory.org/swf/v8_1/"/>
<embed src="http://sonory.org/swf/player.swf" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="535" height="186" flashvars="url=http://sonory.org/swf/v8_1/"/>
</object>

I think, a load on the motor when its torque up (like climbing up a boulder), could be estimated to also give another zing of realistic sound. I wish i was better at the software side of things. I'm not sure how hard it be to come up with a program to use the sound samples these folks will sell/license...
 
Play with this abit norm, imagine the little slider on the right is the position of your trigger (press the play button in the center to load the sound)

<OBJECT width=535 height=186>

</p></p>
<embed src="http://sonory.org/swf/player.swf" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="535" height="186" flashvars="url=http://sonory.org/swf/v8_1/"/>
</OBJECT>

I think, a load on the motor when its torque up (like climbing up a boulder), could be estimated to also give another zing of realistic sound. I wish i was better at the software side of things. I'm not sure how hard it be to come up with a program to use the sound samples these folks will sell/license...

+1 props for this find....hmmmm?
so far this is the best one ive seen/heard!

who knows....maybe?;-)
 
yeah, found that one too... obviously forgot to post it.
I think the software is easy enough if you can find a multi-channel sound chip that will play different channels simultaneously.
 
I've chosen not to vote.
The proper option for me would be:
Once I get a scaler I'll consider it.
 
Ok, i know this sounds funny. But it got me thinking last night.

Our trucks are remote controlled.
So the signal is thrown wirelessly.
Remember quite awhile back what speed controls once looked like?
They were a series of contacts that one were joined togther the truck would stop, go forward, go faster, go slower, stop.
Ok. So what if the same idea was applied to be applied to a throttle linkage inside the RC.
As you throttle, a micro servo throttles along guiding a plate across a series of contacts arming each sound.
Now you have true sound based off your throttle.
The speakers can be cell phone speakers.
Once they are modeled inti the correct case with an appropriate apmlifier.
They should generate the proper tone without much power at a decent volumn.

Am I thinking wring about this idea?
 
That's a perfectly legitimate idea, and we could even do it without the mechanical bit... Different sounds at different rpm.
The hard bit is seamlessly mixing sounds through rpm range without "stepping"
 
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