Good Ol' Discussion

[WHITE-TRASH]

It also bothers me when dudes with zero children want to give input on situations where national security is at risk. Childless individuals are selfish and think only of themselves. Men are the worst because we have the ability to protect ourselves anywhere any time. Not in a bad way... we were all childless at one time. Having kids changes your perspective on ALOT of issues. Have a kid and poof! All of a sudden the national debt is a problem and you want it fixed...not let it get worse.

I agree with everything you posted but this. Being with or without children has little bearing on the matter. Maturity on the other hand is 100% of it. Sometimes having kids is what triggers causes a person to mature, sometimes not. I know too many people that have kids that I wouldn't trust to decide what I'm having for dinner let alone matters of national safety.

 

[phishead1101]

Hey, who can answer why the new influx of RCC users are mostly complete idiots?

The overflow of rtr crawlers....

 

[EeePee]

The overflow of rtr crawlers....

Thanks Axial.

 

[67mustang]

I agree with everything you posted but this. Being with or without children has little bearing on the matter. Maturity on the other hand is 100% of it. Sometimes having kids is what triggers causes a person to mature, sometimes not. I know too many people that have kids that I wouldn't trust to decide what I'm having for dinner let alone matters of national safety.

I was likely too harsh in saying that they have no business having an opinion. Its an American right to have an opinion. I just wanted to highlight that the liberal base has the market cornered on young stupid people that are less than a decade from puberty. Giving input on situations they have only a vague grasp on. Issues they dont really understand. Totally green and entitled to being correct everytime. Lol. All while cashiering at trader joes for min wage and herding on facebook like blue white and red sheep.

Not you WT. Unless you got a colored fb profile pic.

Im just happy to not have to look at the rainbow colored pics. I thank that is over.

 

[EeePee]

Young stupid people on Facebook? Green and entitlement?

No freaking way!?

 

[WHITE-TRASH]

I was likely too harsh in saying that they have no business having an opinion. Its an American right to have an opinion. I just wanted to highlight that the liberal base has the market cornered on young stupid people that are less than a decade from puberty. Giving input on situations they have only a vague grasp on. Issues they dont really understand. Totally green and entitled to being correct everytime. Lol. All while cashiering at trader joes for min wage and herding on facebook like blue white and red sheep.

Not you WT. Unless you got a colored fb profile pic.

Im just happy to not have to look at the rainbow colored pics. I thank that is over.

It's not only a lack of maturity but also a heavy dose of dumb that drives the younger generation. I know my views on things have changed drastically from 20 years ago when I turned 18. Oddly enough I was far more conservative back then and as I've aged I have gone much closer to center. Not that I've began getting more liberal but because I'm less conservative. :lol:

These days I don't care what you smoke, who you poke or what you look like so long as your actions have no bearing on my life negatively.

I'm not on tardbook so no, no colored pic for me.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Preventing refugees from entering the US won't prevent terrorism any more than outlawing assault rifles will prevent school shootings. ISIS wishes it could kill as many Americans as Americans do.

 

[67mustang]

Preventing refugees from entering the US won't prevent terrorism any more than outlawing assault rifles will prevent school shootings. ISIS wishes it could kill as many Americans as Americans do.

ISIS is busy killing the people around them. Theyll get to us soon enough. So because Americans kill each other we are supposed to tolerate terrorism? Not be cautious? Especially when we KNOW a suicide bomber was/posed as a refugee? I read an article about how Syrian Americans themselves are skeptical of these muslim syrians.

A good friend of mine was 3 miles from the finish line when the boston bombing occured. Forgive me if I dont feel as insulated as you.

ISIS wishes it could kill as many Americans.....and if they continue to grow unimpeded....they will get that wish. Its what happens when you work to achieve a task.

 

[NoobCrawler]

I think we are asking for trouble if we don't give these people a place to go. 99% of them are not extremists and terrorists. However if they are not helped they will be so desperate and angry that good people will turn to extremism. Long standing refugee camps could be prime recuitement sites for ISIS. I don't know what the answer is but turning our back on our fellow man is not the answer. We are blessed to be born in a Countries as great as USA and Canada. Alot of those people are good people just trying to live their lives. I saw an acticle of children sleeping in refugee camps. They were literally sleeping outside in tall grass with all the bugs, cold and s*#t. It was totally depressing. I couldn't imagine my kids like that. I broke my heart. They are just innocent kids stuck in the depths of dispare, and none of it has to do with them. You can't just do nothing. idk

Of course I feel bad for all the ones who are truly fleeing, but I don't think it's worth the risk. Plus, we already have enough war torn people of our own who we aren't taking care of. All the vets. The kids who lost parents due to suicide from not getting help. The ones sleeping on the streets, with all the bugs, cold and sh*t. I just don't see letting in more people we can't care for with the added bonus of some of those wanting to harm & kill innocents. No thanks.

Preventing refugees from entering the US won't prevent terrorism any more than outlawing assault rifles will prevent school shootings. ISIS wishes it could kill as many Americans as Americans do.

This is a case of 'damned if you do, damned if you don't', I guess. If we don't let them in, that may be the final push they need to turn to ISIS, but letting them in may have the same result. As to your last sentence, why should we give them a free pass in to make their wish come true? I think we can all agree that they WILL get in. Now, whether or not they'll actually be able to go through with it, who knows. But I'd rather not make the chance of one, or more incidents happen.

 

[thecrusader]

We're getting 12,000 Syrian refugees soon. I could stomp my feet and light a match and
yell from the roof tops. Thing is, they're coming.

There are strict guidelines and processes for them to come here. According to what's on telly.
You know, only the good ones will come.

As wings pointed out the problem isn't just the bad ones that slip through the cracks, it's the
ones that get here, then get radicalised.

Do I worry about it? Not really. It's happening anyway and them bastards want us to worry.
They are just cowardly pieces of shit with evil intentions. Nothing but poisonous losers.

If I caught one of them there wouldn't be a beheading or execution, no no no , none of that.
I'm thinking zip ties,bolt cutters/angle grinder and a blow torch. Make a day or week out of it.
Make some lunches, get some friends over and have a few beers and bit of a laugh.

They say integration and love will destroy isis. This has been tried for nearly two decades.

Worked well so far.......

 

[67mustang]

They say integration and love will destroy isis. This has been tried for nearly two decades.

I watched a documentary called "my brother is a terrorist" that followed a guy trying to figure out why people/his brother in law are joining the radical movement. Lets just say it opened my eyes to Islam and the "brotherhood" that it is. They have radicalized jihadists in France due to the oppression of muslim immigrants. It opened my eyes to how the muslim jihadi mindset has no place for nonbelievers. This Obama mindset where if we just calm the waters and be nice and ISIS will eventually come around and give us a hug and kiss is something I never saw happening. Even Clinton says we should eat the terrorism and keep our eyes at our feet. It wont work with this enemy. Radical Islam is an animal Americans dont understand. Everything we have tried to combat radical islam has failed. So this notion that we should tolerate jihad is a losing policy.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

We fail at squashing radical Islam (or at least the worst of it) because we keep leaving doors open after we beat the old factions back. We go in, blow some shit up, shoot the people that shoot at us, make some kind of half-assed gesture towards rebuilding governments and state security forces, then leave and hope it all turns out ok. It never does.

Vetting refugees from Syria is already incredibly hard because there is so much chaos. Making the process more thorough is like giving an already drowned man a snorkel.

Because we are involved, and have been for so long, and things are getting way out of hand, we have a responsibility to those people. Not the jihadists, fawk those guys, but to those that have innocently been caught up in this mess. We already have sent billions in aid, so have others, and that's great, but the people have to go somewhere.

And yeah, it is a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. The odds of someone getting through that means to do harm is extremely low (there are easier, faster ways of getting supporters into the country), but there is always the risk that they will. Whatever happens, we need to do it with the right approach and attitude. The knee jerk reaction of "hell no they can't come here" is not leading with our best foot forward. Neither is Trumps "I'd bomb the shit out of them, I don't care", or "lets put them all in camps". He's trolling the GOP base so hard it's almost obscene.

We can't overcome this by giving the terrorists what they want, and that is to be afraid. Not only of them, but of anyone that comes from that region. They play a very specific game, and we have to be mindful of that. They can't hit us hard, or often, or repeatedly. All they can do is try to build their numbers over time and wear us down by making us chase them.

And to all those that proclaim "what about the children, or the vets, or the homeless, or etc", you can blow it out your pooper. Long after we're done with this current crisis, we're still going to have homeless kids and vets, and we'll pay the exact same amount of attention to them then as we do now, which is not enough. Don't make them suddenly important now that something else is on the radar.

 

[thecrusader]

Have to agree with most of what duuuuuuuuude said but as far as the homeless goes,
these refugees will be given furnished houses and a pension as soon as they come.
Even the ones in detention centres here get phones and cigarettes paid for.
That gives me shits.

Along with plenty of other things.

Pensioners here are struggling big time and it's frustrating to watch someone come in
from outside and get twice as much as a pensioner, then the husband goes out and does
cash jobs while they both collect benefits and the woman just pumps out kids.

It's not just the radicalisation which a lot of Aussies are worried about it's our taxes
going up to fund that sort of crap. Not to mention our already struggling health system
that the government keeps sacking health workers in.

Then you have whatever diseases that get brought in.

There's a hole spectrum of issues that grind my gears.

Not saying they all do this, I have a lot of friends from different walks of life
and races, a lot are afghan/indian/Egyptian etc. They're hard workers and descent guys.

Hard to believe when youre handed that much stuff in a free country why you would bother
doing the right thing. A lot will, but a lot wont.

 

[The Violator]

Hard to believe when youre handed that much stuff in a free country why you would bother
doing the right thing. A lot will, but a lot wont.

All you have to do is look at Detroit or Chicago. Both cities ran into the ground by liberals giving everything to anyone who asks, in return for a vote to keep them in office. Works well, until the people who pay the bills say **** that and leave.

 

[RANOVRU]

There is absolutely nothing good that will come from letting thousands of refugee's into this country, fact. It will either aid just a little bit more to terrorism or become a burden on taxpayers.

It's not a matter of compassion or 'the right thing' it's a matter of getting our own house in order. So much not right with our own country and yet we always feel the need to police and step in to intervene on the rest of the world. And a lot of the rest of the world agree's with that mindset.

We just keep adding to our problems by letting more problems in. Immigration is bad enough, this refugee shit is a trip to the front of the line.

 

[The Violator]

There is absolutely nothing good that will come from letting thousands of refugee's into this country, fact. It will either aid just a little bit more to terrorism or become a burden on taxpayers.

It's not a matter of compassion or 'the right thing' it's a matter of getting our own house in order. So much not right with our own country and yet we always feel the need to police and step in to intervene on the rest of the world. And a lot of the rest of the world agree's with that mindset.

We just keep adding to our problems by letting more problems in. Immigration is bad enough, this refugee shit is a trip to the front of the line.

But the liberals only see tens of thousands of votes. And that is saying they only vote once each.



I will say this. Anyone who supports these people coming here, when, not if, but when they shoot and blow people up, I hope it is you and yours. Thinning of the herd for sure.

 

[wings_of_fire]

we understand each other. We work together. We live together. Try to do that with muslim radicals. They want to kill you and your family. Right now ISIS is provoking everyone. Why? Because they are trying to scale up in terms of recruiting. They dont want 1k per week. They want 50k. They are trying to provoke a holy war.

"thumbsup"

Some people don't understand their enemy at all until its too late. Coodled life for any human being is an invitation to loosing their sharpness and putting down their guard. History has proven this fact.

 

[thecrusader]

This might come off as a bit racist but I don't really give a shit.

The local doctor near my house bulk bills (you don't have to pay for it/government does)
The place is utterly packed from dawn till dusk. I have been having some pretty descent health
problems and have had to do blood tests, piss tests, ultrasounds, fingers in the botty, the whole shebang.

As if feeling crook and scared isn't enough, I went into that doctors 3 days in a row to get my
ultrasound results and 3 days in a row walked out again, not knowing what's wrong with me
or what's going on because the place was that packed. There where probably 3-4 Australians
and about 30 others every time I went in.

Ended up borrowing money to go see another doctor.

The other problem is the doctors are foreign. It's not a problem that they're foreign, I don't care
where the doctor was born but you can't verbally understand them. I had one doctor prescribe
the wrong anti-biotics for something and she nearly kill me.

Our government seems to think if we bring more people in it's more money being spent in the community.

So many of them are sponges it's nothing but a drain.

Meanwhile sick Aussies that are struggling fall further behind the wagon.

 

[BigSki]

Our best defense is to not be assholes.

why not be an asshole? it's worked for decades. Others didn't f with us because they were AFRAID of the consequences, which were swiftly dished out. When our wrists started to go limp was when we started to be kicked around a bit.

 

[THX_138]

Last I knew Saudi Arabia had well over 100,000 air conditioned tents ALL VACANT with the ability of housing 3,000,000 refugees

Why aren't they going there?