Good Ol' Discussion

[thecrusader]

I don't even have aircon. ffs.

They're probably not going there for the lack of hand outs and care that they can get here.

 

[wings_of_fire]

Last I knew Saudi Arabia had well over 100,000 air conditioned tents ALL VACANT with the ability of housing 3,000,000 refugees

Why aren't they going there?

Taqiyya from Saudi. Being a G20 member they have to show the world they are doing something. We all know these same saudi arabs fund isis. They are aware isis itself cannot be trusted and will over throw their saudi rulers if given a chance. Juggling a twin edged sword.


https://sites.google.com/site/islam...ya--islam-doctrine-of-deceit-to-further-islam


Vladimir Putin Reveals That ISIS Is Funded by 40 Countries

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

why not be an asshole? it's worked for decades. Others didn't f with us because they were AFRAID of the consequences, which were swiftly dished out. When our wrists started to go limp was when we started to be kicked around a bit.

That's not quite what I meant.

Against jihadists and ISIS, asshole mode engaged.
Against refugees and Islam in general, asshole mode disengaged.

 

[johnnyh66]

Against jihadists and ISIS...
Against refugees and Islam in general

The problem is, most of the folks scared to let in refugees see them as one in the same.

I'm amazed at the lack of empathy... especially when these same people shout that an American white male that shoots up a movie theater is an anomaly and not to blame all the good guys with guns for the loss of innocent life... but that keeps happening here.
And as you've said, we've loss a lot more American lives to the American anomalies than jihadist sneaking into the country (9-11 aside).

Maybe we should ban white males... you know, just in case 1 out of 10,000 has ill intent.

And as for the all the handout talk... well, that's just silly.
You all act like these refugees have planned this... like they are happy to lose their families, their friends, their homes, their culture all so they can sit around in a camp for 2 years while they are vetted in the slight chance they can move to a country where they are hated just to get a free phone.
Silly.

They have radicalized jihadists in France due to the oppression of muslim immigrants.

Exactly. Intolerance breeds a hate filled mind fertile for ISIS ideology... and yet, you think that's the way to move forward.
That's what fawken got us here in the first place! :roll:

Because we are involved, and have been for so long, and things are getting way out of hand, we have a responsibility to those people. Not the jihadists, fawk those guys, but to those that have innocently been caught up in this mess. We already have sent billions in aid, so have others, and that's great, but the people have to go somewhere...

We can't overcome this by giving the terrorists what they want, and that is to be afraid. Not only of them, but of anyone that comes from that region. They play a very specific game, and we have to be mindful of that. They can't hit us hard, or often, or repeatedly. All they can do is try to build their numbers over time and wear us down by making us chase them.
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Exactly.
We are in this whether we like it or not.
Our fingerprints are all over this mess and everyone that is affected knows it. I'm not sure if you guys remember or not but we did invade Iraq, removed the tyrant in power and then said good luck... and here we are, we opened the door for this shit.
Our actions turned up the heat and created a breeding ground of desperate people ripe for ISIS indoctrination.
We have to suck it up and deal with it... or turn yet another group of innocent Muslims against us and into the arms of the radicals.

 

[badhoopty]

why not be an asshole? it's worked for decades. Others didn't f with us because they were AFRAID of the consequences, which were swiftly dished out. When our wrists started to go limp was when we started to be kicked around a bit.

a million likes to this.

in the nicest way i can say it, the people who think we as a world can get along if we all just open our hearts are beautifullly ignorant/optimistic about human nature. but you cant hate on them for being positive, and thats the trap most people fall into when trying to debate how they feel.

 

[johnnyh66]

Perhaps in the short term that way of thinking worked to isolate us, keep us safe in our bubble... but obviously, in the long term it did not work... because here we are.
This shit didn't just start a few years ago...

 

[wings_of_fire]

Life is full of traps. Which one to fall into is at last our personal choice.
Those already in a trap are called married men;-)

 

[WHITE-TRASH]

Perhaps in the short term that way of thinking worked to isolate us, keep us safe in our bubble... but obviously, in the long term it did not work... because here we are.
This shit didn't just start a few years ago...

We never should have been a part of creating Israel. That was the beginning of this whole mess as we know it.

 

[wings_of_fire]

We never should have been a part of creating Israel. That was the beginning of this whole mess as we know it.

Or could this have started centuries ago?

The 1,300-Year Battle between Christians and Muslims, Chapter 1 from the book Why? The Deeper History Behind the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks on America | The Institute for Economic Democracy

 

[WHITE-TRASH]

Or could this have started centuries ago?

The 1,300-Year Battle between Christians and Muslims, Chapter 1 from the book Why? The Deeper History Behind the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks on America | The Institute for Economic Democracy

No doubt this whole mess is centuries old. My point is they didn't hate us enough to come knocking on our door until after we decided to meddle in their holy war and create a new country in the middle of it all.

 

[yotapower07]

Here's something that I'm scratching my head over. Why are these Syrian refugees not fighting to keep their homes? If 90% of the Muslim community is good hearted with no ill intentions then it doesn't seem that difficult to rise above ISIS and take back what is rightfully theirs. Why flee and seek out refuge in another country? I'm sure some of them do and are overwhelmed fairly easily. It just does not make sense to me though that these people want to come to America or wherever looking for work and housing when there not willing to take back what belongs to them.

 

[WHITE-TRASH]

Here's something that I'm scratching my head over. Why are these Syrian refugees not fighting to keep their homes? If 90% of the Muslim community is good hearted with no ill intentions then it doesn't seem that difficult to rise above ISIS and take back what is rightfully theirs. Why flee and seek out refuge in another country? I'm sure some of them do and are overwhelmed fairly easily. It just does not make sense to me though that these people want to come to America or wherever looking for work and housing when there not willing to take back what belongs to them.

Why fix your own home when you can just run away to another one that will support you and your family for free?

 

[67mustang]

Exactly. Intolerance breeds a hate filled mind fertile for ISIS ideology... and yet, you think that's the way to move forward.
That's what fawken got us here in the first place! :roll:.

I got an "lol" for you if you think Intolerance has anything to do with muslim radicals. Oppression maybe. As if Muslim radicals are tolerant of us. And the reasons the French "oppressed" the muslim immigrants is because they dont recognize country sovereignty or French laws....they want Sharia Law. Sharia Law dont fly in the West or Europe. The French let them have their "space" (didnt really oppress) and thats why they have problems with open radical jihadi rallys in the streets of Paris. If you dont believe me you should look it up. Its pretty shocking. Remember the claim that there are "no go zones" in europe? European leaders got mad cause they had their head in the sand and couldnt face the truth. And if you think that we have simply inteolerated Muslims into radicalism you have really drank the koolaid. 99% of them dudes know nothing of the west. Never even been here.

Obama was so tolerant after we left that the ISIS caliphate grew in such a short time. It will require a river of american blood to stop. But hey...i dont want to keep you from your ISIS pity party.

 

[67mustang]

Why fix your own home when you can just run away to another one that will support you and your family for free?

Truth is if Obama wouldnt have whiffed on that red line in Syria...maybe had a no fly zone...there wouldnt have been a massive refugee crisis. The lack of American leadership and lack of direction caused this. So bad that the French are happily working with the russians and looking for support where they can. Typically the American president leads...but not Obama.

 

[yotapower07]

What about the supposed ISIS training camps right here on American soil. One would think that the US government knows exactly where these locations are and everything about them so why hasn't something been done there? Possibly because we the American people are getting bent over with no lube and not even so much as a kiss on the neck by the people who are supposed to be standing up for us?

 

[RANOVRU]

What about the supposed ISIS training camps right here on American soil. One would think that the US government knows exactly where these locations are and everything about them so why hasn't something been done there? Possibly because we the American people are getting bent over with no lube and not even so much as a kiss on the neck by the people who are supposed to be standing up for us?

People with power have never cared about those without it.

A true democracy would be us as a nation voting on issues instead of voting for people to make decisions for us on those issues. That has always been where the problem lies.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Here's something that I'm scratching my head over. Why are these Syrian refugees not fighting to keep their homes?.

With what? Rocks and sticks? You can't fight against a well funded, well equipped militia if you have no weapons.

What about the supposed ISIS training camps right here on American soil. One would think that the US government knows exactly where these locations are and everything about them so why hasn't something been done there? Possibly because we the American people are getting bent over with no lube and not even so much as a kiss on the neck by the people who are supposed to be standing up for us?

They have to show intent to harm. The same reason the Christian militias can train and grow in numbers to do just about the same exact thing without hassle from the government. The Constitution protects them until it becomes apparent that they have something serious planned. I'm sure the government knows all about them, but can't do anything about it...

 

[wings_of_fire]

Here's something that I'm scratching my head over. Why are these Syrian refugees not fighting to keep their homes?

Because isis has American made weapons on its side and the general public does not (most of them not knowing to use one). How they got it or how they keep up with the supply....don't know.
Its like asking an unarmed person to fight an armed person.
Would you fight your local deputies unarmed when they are heavily armed and don't think twice to kill someone?

If 90% of the Muslim community is good hearted with no ill intentions then it doesn't seem that difficult to rise above ISIS and take back what is rightfully theirs.

I think 100% of Americans are good hearted with no ill intentions plus a mighty millitary with technological advancement on their side but still, it seems like its difficult to pin isis down.

Why flee and seek out refuge in another country? I'm sure some of them do and are overwhelmed fairly easily. It just does not make sense to me though that these people want to come to America or wherever looking for work and housing when there not willing to take back what belongs to them.

Is it confirmed that those people want to come to America or wherever for work and housing? I am sure there is more work pending in their home country than an already industrialised country like America.
You are misunderstanding those refugees (exception for wolves in sheep coat). They are simple innocent people in distress, with no other expectation than to get back the normal life in their home town.

 

[spookyseven]

I guess you missed the vids of the hanging of Saddam and all of the footage from all of the wars dating back to WW1 until present.

There's plenty of christian based cruelty that can be seen on film. If anything, in most cases everything we've done is far more atrocious than a few people being beheaded. But the media would rather have you focused on a handful of people getting their heads cut off or a couple hundred people being shot/bombed than talk about how many millions of people we've blown and burnt up in the name of god and country.


I'm not defending anyone here, but both sides "do the work of the devil". And it's all thanks to the ridiculous nature of religion. Other crazy religious people seem to rely solely on their religion but we here in the US like to add nationality into the mix so it doesn't make us sound as nutty. Although there's a growing number of us that aren't fooled anymore.

I've heard some pretty crazy theories explaining why the U.S. government took military action but this, saying it was based on religion, is pretty high on the WTF list.


The radical muslims accused people of being spies, shouted some religious mumbo jumbo and murdered them.

Saddam on the other hand killed thousands of people, captured by the the U.S., BUT, was executed by the Iraqi special tribunal, not the U.S.

I don't see how you draw a comparison between the two. Radical muslims murdering "suspected spies" and Saddam being executed for killing thousands, which was proven.

You think getting involved in WW2 equates to christian based cruelty? WTF? Didn't it have more to do with stopping a nut case from trying to take over the world? Just because christianity has been the majority religion in the U.S. does not mean it is the reason behind military action.

 

[spookyseven]

In my opinion, a stable economy is key to a stable society. I think it would be far more helpful to eliminate whatever is disrupting an economy and help people in their own country prosper rather than bring them here.


For example, I once talked to a Mexican who was in the U.S. illegally. He said, with an extremely frustrated look on his face, that he would rather live in Mexico but the drug cartels caused too many problems. He said there was a bus load of people killed outside his hometown and it just sat there for days before anyone bothered to go see what happened.

In short, eliminate the drug cartels to help people be happy in their own country. Eliminate radical muslim groups to help people be happy in their own country.