Questions for Gun Control Advocates

[Robbob]

So if 30 people are shot dead a day (I have a feeling it's higher, but...), how many a day are actually saved by cc?
How many times a day do good guys with guns jump into action and save the day?
I'm guessing that's near zero.
Pro gun folks always want to talk about the "what if's" but rarely want to address the actual shit happening.

The actual shit that's happening? Sorry but all I hear is the pro gun folks screaming its not the guns committing the crime and they are right. If we didn't have guns it would be knives then what?

Then we have the government over in their some how elected corners looking away from the people committing the crime and pointing at the guns saying its because they had guns this happened. Bullshit, a drug dealing pimp or a radical what ever religion is still going to find a way to accomplish what they want.

What's the difference between 14 people dyeing by gun shots or 14 people dyeing by a homemade bomb? Nothing!

14 people are dead but WHY are they dead .......... that's the 'actual' shit that's happening.



Mother Shoots Armed Intruders, Saves Kid | The Daily Caller

That would be two dead including a baby and more stats for your gun laws do work people. Oh but wait it doesn't fit an agenda or the hot political crap so we wont post it all over the internet like other gun shootings. :roll:


Man with concealed carry stops slaughter

Here are three gun owners who stopped crime and saved lives, courtesy of the Second Amendment | The Daily Caller


The day our guns are taken away the criminals have won! The second amendment is all that's left in my eyes, problem is the media is blinded by ratings and the government only cares about themselves.

BTW if guns are so bad then why doesn't these know it all's in Washington fire their protective details?

 

[Ohioskills]

Take 2 AR15's give one to a person and the other out on the table. Offer 100k to the rifle on the table to see what it says. Ask the person with the AR15 if he/she accepts.

whats the difference between the 2? hhhhmmmm

The person makes the choice not the weapon. Anything can be a weapon so I say get ride of the PEOPLE not the guns. Guns have no choice they do what there told.

I also have my CCW and support all gun rights. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT F*** you an LEAVE THE COUNTRY

THATS WHAT I SAY!!!!!

 

[HahnsB2]

So if 30 people are shot dead a day (I have a feeling it's higher, but...), how many a day are actually saved by cc?
How many times a day do good guys with guns jump into action and save the day?
I'm guessing that's near zero.
Pro gun folks always want to talk about the "what if's" but rarely want to address the actual shit happening.

Conservative estimates are several hundred thousand defensive gun uses each year. Most never result in a shot even being fired and therefore aren't news.


I do want to address what's happening, by shooting these cocksuckers in the face ASAP. Your approach (more laws) clearly doesn't work.

 

[The Violator]

Stupid question. People shoot up shit regardless of if there are guns there. We've had shootings at military bases, at places with armed cops working security, ect. They choose targets based on whatever statement they want to make.




Did you lose the remote?

So what you are saying is people are going to shoot up other people even thought its against the law as long as it fits their agenda. I agree. So then taking guns from normal citizens who do not shoot up places makes no difference. I am glad you now see things my way.




And did I lose my remote. Yes, many times. I do not care if 2 homos want to get married. What they do is none of my business. But in the typical, dare I say retarded, liberal fashion when you do not get 100% behind them, you are 100% against them.

I personally would love to watch gay divorce court. Imagine 2 twinky men slap fighting over their poodles, and the purse collection. Or a pair of flat top bull lesbians fighting over who gets the green Birkenstocks, and who keeps the Subaru Outback and who keeps the Forester.

 

[The Violator]

BTW if guns are so bad then why doesn't these no it all's in Washington fire their protective details?

I think King Obama should go on TV tonight and announce he will no longer be protected by guns. Because they are so unsafe. No secret service agent, or police escort can have any type of gun within 1000 feet. He should lead by example.

 

[dezfan]

Yes there is. You do not always have to be a licenced dealer to sell guns at a gun show. You can be a "collector" and set up a booth to buy, sell, and trade without a dealers licence. No background check required. Or, you can arrange a deal set at a later date, no background check required.

I covered that.

C&R doesn't require a 4473.

And private sales.

Try and keep up.

 

[chopfather]

If you want some real info then check out the book Hands Off My Guns by Dana Loesch. She put two years of research into this and it has all facts and she cites sources that are much more reliable than some quick internet search that might bring up some inaccurate data.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

I covered that.

C&R doesn't require a 4473.

And private sales.

Try and keep up.

You kept making the point that background checks were required at gun shows when you bought from a dealer. You didn't mention that not everyone there selling guns were dealers, or that you could in fact walk out with a firearm and no background check.

 

[dezfan]

You kept making the point that background checks were required at gun shows when you bought from a dealer. You didn't mention that not everyone there selling guns were dealers, or that you could in fact walk out with a firearm and no background check.

Post 59 for the slower folks.

 

[chopfather]

The laws vary state by state on private gun purchases but your blanket bs statement suits your agenda so keep running with it.

 

[RANOVRU]

As for the gun show critics, I can not speak for every state, but here 99% of the time they are ALL licensed dealers that are bound by the normal BG checks.

I've been to many over the years, more than I can count, and have seen maybe a dozen folks that were private sales for collector guns. Wanna know what they were selling? Revolvers and single shot rifles/shotguns from the late 1800's - early 1900's. Most didn't even work and the ones that supposedly did are hardly capable of what's considered today as 'mass murder'.

It's amazing what the public will eat off of the medias plate.


Now private sales on CL or the like is a different story.

 

[chopfather]

We should definitely ban guns to stop murder that is already illegal ! that makes perfect sense doesn't it ?

 

[RANOVRU]

You kept making the point that background checks were required at gun shows when you bought from a dealer. You didn't mention that not everyone there selling guns were dealers, or that you could in fact walk out with a firearm and no background check.

You've obviously never tried to buy anything more than a pellet gun. Even when Walmart was selling guns you couldn't just go in there and walk out with a rifle or shotgun in a few minutes. It's even worse at gun shows or stores that are more geared towards guns.


I think some of the folks who are complaining about how easy it is to buy a gun legally should go and actually try and buy one.

 

[dezfan]

You've obviously never tried to buy anything more than a pellet gun. Even when Walmart was selling guns you couldn't just go in there and walk out with a rifle or shotgun in a few minutes. It's even worse at gun shows or stores that are more geared towards guns.


I think some of the folks who are complaining about how easy it is to buy a gun legally should go and actually try and buy one.

I agree.

Obongo said, "it's easier to buy a gun than it is to buy a book". :roll:

Maybe if you're in Syria shopping at Uncle Barky's gun give-a-way and looking to buy a Bible.

 

[TrailSnail]

Here are a few where the good guys intervened:

12 Times Mass Shootings Were Stopped by Good Guys With Guns

 

[mattehmer01]

True, a person does pull the trigger. However, the gun does in fact do the killing; the only purpose a gun ultimately has is to kill something(s).

The government needs to do a better job making sure that the killing machines are in the hands of competent, stable people, not just take guns away or impose sweeping, general regulations.

Wrong, guns are not intended for killing people. They are intended for hunting, target practice, sporting clays, trap etc. There are guns made specifically for self defense, but not for offense. You don't know what you are talking about.... Liberals

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[RANOVRU]

Here are a few where the good guys intervened:

12 Times Mass Shootings Were Stopped by Good Guys With Guns

That's the stuff most people don't hear about. It's interesting to note that several of those incidents ended up with no shots fired and the perpetrator being subdued, just from a civilian taking the action of drawing their weapon.


I think just about all legal daily carriers feel the same as the bouncer from the strip club incident mentioned...


Following the attack Baer posted to Facebook: “I did what I felt was right to stop the shooter…I carry every day, and will continue to, and will so with the hope that I will NEVER have to pull it out again.”

 

[mattehmer01]

Take 2 AR15's give one to a person and the other out on the table. Offer 100k to the rifle on the table to see what it says. Ask the person with the AR15 if he/she accepts.

whats the difference between the 2? hhhhmmmm

The person makes the choice not the weapon. Anything can be a weapon so I say get ride of the PEOPLE not the guns. Guns have no choice they do what there told.

I also have my CCW and support all gun rights. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT F*** you an LEAVE THE COUNTRY

THATS WHAT I SAY!!!!!

Very well said

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[Duuuuuuuude]

Post 59 for the slower folks.

My bad, I missed that one.

A vast majority of sales are from dealers.

As I am not a dealer, if I had to guesstimate the percentage of sales, I would say 99% of sales are from dealers.

Since those sales require no paperwork whatsoever, you're 99% guesstimate is completely unfounded. If I were to say it was 1%, it would be equally correct.

My point of contention with what you said earlier was that the Gun Show Loophole is a myth. Since the GHL is buying firearms at a gun show without a background check, it's not a myth.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

You've obviously never tried to buy anything more than a pellet gun. Even when Walmart was selling guns you couldn't just go in there and walk out with a rifle or shotgun in a few minutes. It's even worse at gun shows or stores that are more geared towards guns.


I think some of the folks who are complaining about how easy it is to buy a gun legally should go and actually try and buy one.

Last I walked by there, Walmart still sold guns. Both of my local ones do.

Yes, buying retail is not a quick and easy process. But buying privately is, and you can buy privately at a gun show if someone there is selling privately. Some states do not allow that, most do. I've got a co-worker that is a gun collector and buys and sells all the time. It's not unusual for him to go to a show and return with at least one or two new toys for us to check out. Personally, I haven't been to a gun show in a long time.