So, what you believe in is man?
Science is man’s creation. It’s essentially man chasing an understanding through dissecting and manipulating nature.
You can have science. I will take the earth as my god.
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Do you believe in God,Heaven or Hell?
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So, what you believe in is man?
Science is man’s creation. It’s essentially man chasing an understanding through dissecting and manipulating nature.
You can have science. I will take the earth as my god.
StomperCrawler
RCC Addict
In short, yes. In the New Testament, the book of John tells us "For God so loved the world (people) that he gave (us) his only son, that whoever believes (trusts) in him should not perish (in hell) but have (gain) eternal life (heaven)" 3:16. Jesus himself in the same book is quoted as saying "I am the way (to heaven), the truth, and the life (eternal/forever in heaven). No one comes to the Father (in heaven) except through me" 14:6. The book of Romans, also in the NT, in verses 10:8-10 tells us that “The word (of truth) is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved (from hell). For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved."
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Teng
RCC Addict
But many well known scientists are Christian though [emoji846]
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Many people I know are capable of communicating through different paradigms of thinking.
Great thread .... Didn't read it all but I will.....
So as a kid grew up Catholic, got older life changed , started to get questionable! Got a lil older had my first kid, total miracle, must be god(at a certain age i said ALIENS when thinking it through and what ive learned maybe there are aliens ) ... So I believe in some kind of higher power. We are a product of aliens ,they made us,put us on this planet , during time they realized that they were running a mock(us the humans) they thought about it , came up with God and his rules, thru out time it worked until we all get older or the end of the world (year 1999) sure ****ed with peoples minds, or , there is a God and created us, and again humans acting all stupid then boom his rules the 10 commandments, which worked of course for centuries , but nowadays to me religion is fading away , I just hope aliens come before I die.... Lol if there is a heaven and hell , I knowcim going , just do right and not wrong have a heart and not be evil , in the lords eyes , everyone has choices , everyone should know Right from Wrong, not that hard or is it for some?
That's what i believe!
So as a kid grew up Catholic, got older life changed , started to get questionable! Got a lil older had my first kid, total miracle, must be god(at a certain age i said ALIENS when thinking it through and what ive learned maybe there are aliens ) ... So I believe in some kind of higher power. We are a product of aliens ,they made us,put us on this planet , during time they realized that they were running a mock(us the humans) they thought about it , came up with God and his rules, thru out time it worked until we all get older or the end of the world (year 1999) sure ****ed with peoples minds, or , there is a God and created us, and again humans acting all stupid then boom his rules the 10 commandments, which worked of course for centuries , but nowadays to me religion is fading away , I just hope aliens come before I die.... Lol if there is a heaven and hell , I knowcim going , just do right and not wrong have a heart and not be evil , in the lords eyes , everyone has choices , everyone should know Right from Wrong, not that hard or is it for some?
That's what i believe!
Aliens is just such a horror-show of a word...
DavidH
Quarry Creeper
A religion that holds one accountable for things beyond one's control (such as one's beliefs) is morally bankrupt.
Not a great place to start if you are looking for something on which to base your morality.
God IS all so real!!!!!!!! My wife and our babys are living proof of it!!!!! If it wasnt for God, they wouldnt be here today. I believe in ALL that can can do, and i would never turn away from him or shun him. Ill admit, i do get aggrevated sumtimes when things dont go as planned, but God works on his time, not ours. We all have our beliefs, but nobody is goina convince me otherwiseA religion that holds one accountable for things beyond one's control (such as one's beliefs) is morally bankrupt.
Not a great place to start if you are looking for something on which to base your morality.
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With thousands of different religions, and thousands of different gods being worshipped in this world of ours at any given time..... what makes believers think their god is the ‘one’?
Surely people aren’t so niave to think every other culture got it wrong?
Surely people aren’t so niave to think every other culture got it wrong?
StomperCrawler
RCC Addict
Whether or not one seeks God is a choice, is it not? If someone humbles themselves and seeks God with their whole heart, then He will be found, even if he has to tell them about Himself in a dream, or send them a missionary/believer/bible/Jesus-Film from the other side of the world to share the truth with them:
"The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God" (Psalms 14:2).
"Yes, if you cry out for discernment, And lift up your voice for understanding, If you seek her as silver, And search for her as for hidden treasures; Then you will understand the fear of the LORD, And find the knowledge of God. For the LORD gives wisdom; From His mouth come knowledge and understanding" (Proverbs 2:3-6).
"I love those who love me, And those who seek me diligently will find me. Riches and honor are with me, Enduring riches and righteousness. My fruit is better than gold, yes, than fine gold, And my revenue than choice silver" (Proverbs 8:17-19).
"For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope. Then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me, and I will listen to you. And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart" (Jeremiah 29:11-13).
“Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other" (Isaiah 45:22).
“God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’" (Acts 17:24-28).
"Without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him" (Hebrews 11:6).
"Good and upright is the LORD; Therefore He teaches sinners in the way. The humble He guides in justice, And the humble He teaches His way. All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth, To such as keep His covenant and His testimonies. For Your name’s sake, O LORD, Pardon my iniquity, for it is great. Who is the man that fears the LORD? Him shall He teach in the way He chooses. He himself shall dwell in prosperity, And his descendants shall inherit the earth. The secret of the LORD is with those who fear Him, And He will show them His covenant. My eyes are ever toward the LORD, For He shall pluck my feet out of the net. Turn Yourself to me, and have mercy on me, For I am desolate and afflicted. The troubles of my heart have enlarged; Bring me out of my distresses! Look on my affliction and my pain, And forgive all my sins" (Psalms 25:8-18).
"The LORD is near to all who call upon Him, To all who call upon Him in truth. He will fulfill the desire of those who fear Him; He also will hear their cry and save them. The LORD preserves all who love Him, But all the wicked He will destroy" (Psalms 145:18-20).
Trying to win such a debate with scripture is a foolish.
And yes, proclaiming that you have free will when faced with an impossible choice is morally bankrupt.
It's no different than me holding a knife to your throat and saying that you have the choice between swearing fealty to me, or allowing me to carve you up in such a way that you die a very slow, agonizing, painful death. If you do chose to live, you are duty bound to bring people to me to make the same choice. I'll do it to your spouse, your children, everyone you know and love, and everyone you don't. Anyone who has heard my name will face this. What happens is up to you, not me. I bear no responsibility in any of it.
That is absolutely monstrous behavior that exhibits no signs of grace nor love.
And yes, proclaiming that you have free will when faced with an impossible choice is morally bankrupt.
It's no different than me holding a knife to your throat and saying that you have the choice between swearing fealty to me, or allowing me to carve you up in such a way that you die a very slow, agonizing, painful death. If you do chose to live, you are duty bound to bring people to me to make the same choice. I'll do it to your spouse, your children, everyone you know and love, and everyone you don't. Anyone who has heard my name will face this. What happens is up to you, not me. I bear no responsibility in any of it.
That is absolutely monstrous behavior that exhibits no signs of grace nor love.
DavidH
Quarry Creeper
Compartmentalization (psychology)
"Compartmentalization allows conflicting ideas to co-exist by inhibiting direct or explicit acknowledgement and interaction between separate compartmentalized self states."
DavidH
Quarry Creeper
Which does not address my point.
I can be convinced otherwise, when presented with evidence that contradicts what I believe, preferably in the form of a falsifiable hypothesis.
DavidH
Quarry Creeper
Your question presupposes what you mean by 'God'; as an ignostic I carry no such presuppositions, and the only 'gods' that I am aware of are characters in books (and movies). They are nothing that I could sincerely 'seek'.
As much as I would like to get free stuff, I cannot bring myself to write a sincere letter to Santa.
What you describe sounds less like truth and more like an exercise in self-deception, or the deception of others.
StomperCrawler
RCC Addict
Sorry, but I just don't see that... well, except in a horror/thriller film. LOLZ
What I do see is a world of people who by their own choice generally ignore, discount, discredit, or else openly mock the God that created them. In His Creation (ie Nature) they see overwhelming evidence of His existence, yet they choose not to acknowledge Him. Their hearts convict them of doing wrong, but rather than listen and repent, they harden their hearts and ignore their God-given conscience.
The picture I get is one of a scuba diver who goes out alone in shark-infested waters to search for treasures in a sunken ship someone told them was at a certain set of coordinates. Even when they find it not there, they keep diving, deluding themselves for the sake of finding the treasure. A storm comes and threatens to sweep their boat away, but they curse it and keep searching, until their boat sinks under the waves. Sharks begin to circle, and yet they keep diving. God sends them a cruise ship who tosses them a line attached to a life preserver, but they won't grab hold.
"This is how God showed His love among us: He sent His one and only Son into the world that we might live through Him.*This is love: not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins" (1 John 4:9-10).
StomperCrawler
RCC Addict
"Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.*This is what the ancients were commended for by faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead. By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.” For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.*And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him" (Hebrews 11:1-6).
Teng
RCC Addict
Just keep preaching and witnessing for Christ Brother StomperCrawler "thumbsup"
Teng
RCC Addict
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. Hebrews 9:27
Teng
RCC Addict
{A Prayer of Moses the man of God.} Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.
2Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
3Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.
4For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
5Thou carriest them away as with a flood; they are as a sleep: in the morning they are like grass which groweth up.
6In the morning it flourisheth, and groweth up; in the evening it is cut down, and withereth.
7For we are consumed by thine anger, and by thy wrath are we troubled.
8Thou hast set our iniquities before thee, our secret sins in the light of thy countenance.
9For all our days are passed away in thy wrath: we spend our years as a tale that is told.
10The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
11Who knoweth the power of thine anger? even according to thy fear, so is thy wrath.
12So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.
13Return, O LORD, how long? and let it repent thee concerning thy servants.
14O satisfy us early with thy mercy; that we may rejoice and be glad all our days.
15Make us glad according to the days wherein thou hast afflicted us, and the years wherein we have seen evil.
16Let thy work appear unto thy servants, and thy glory unto their children.
17And let the beauty of the LORD our God be upon us: and establish thou the work of our hands upon us; yea, the work of our hands establish thou it.
Psalm 90
2Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
3Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.
4For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
5Thou carriest them away as with a flood; they are as a sleep: in the morning they are like grass which groweth up.
6In the morning it flourisheth, and groweth up; in the evening it is cut down, and withereth.
7For we are consumed by thine anger, and by thy wrath are we troubled.
8Thou hast set our iniquities before thee, our secret sins in the light of thy countenance.
9For all our days are passed away in thy wrath: we spend our years as a tale that is told.
10The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
11Who knoweth the power of thine anger? even according to thy fear, so is thy wrath.
12So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.
13Return, O LORD, how long? and let it repent thee concerning thy servants.
14O satisfy us early with thy mercy; that we may rejoice and be glad all our days.
15Make us glad according to the days wherein thou hast afflicted us, and the years wherein we have seen evil.
16Let thy work appear unto thy servants, and thy glory unto their children.
17And let the beauty of the LORD our God be upon us: and establish thou the work of our hands upon us; yea, the work of our hands establish thou it.
Psalm 90
At least you understand how horrible the situation is.
Without proclaiming that yours is the one true God, and live a life in service and praise to him, you are destined for a slow and painful eternity of torture and damnation. It's not all that different from the scenario I described above. It is an impossible choice that is unwillingly thrust upon you.
Because there is no evidence that YOUR god actually exists.
Kind of, but the scuba diver didn't have a choice, and the cruise ship is the one that sent him into the water in the first place.
Again, quoting scripture does nothing for your argument.
