Do you believe in God,Heaven or Hell?

[Alexander_0_1]

Alright! to be fair I believe the man Jesus walked on water, but I also believe it was in February, and the water was frozen solid...

 

[DavidH]

No. Not at all. Tired of trying to get through to people

I thought it was a fairly simple yes or no question. :shrug:

But seriously, other than your opinions, what exactly have you tried? Testable evidence? Robust arguments?

Maybe an insect evolved from a common insect, and so on but there is no way that people, horses, birds, insects, etc have come from one common ancestor.

With this you are, directly and indirectly, declaring virtually all of modern science to be wrong.

As someone that has never been religious, can you - or anyone else here - explain to me why the response to this anti-science comment should be anything other than laughter and derision?

 

[DavidH]

Alright! to be fair I believe the man Jesus walked on water, but I also believe it was in February, and the water was frozen solid...

 

[ThatJeeper2017]

I thought it was a fairly simple yes or no question. :shrug:



But seriously, other than your opinions, what exactly have you tried? Testable evidence? Robust arguments?





With this you are, directly and indirectly, declaring virtually all of modern science to be wrong.



As someone that has never been religious, can you - or anyone else here - explain to me why the response to this anti-science comment should be anything other than laughter and derision?

Virtually all modern science huh? My comment has nothing to do with physics, medical sciences, and other things. All I am saying is that logically, the theory that everything evolved from a common ancestor, for example a person from an insect is bogus. Also, if there was a common ancestor, who or what created that?



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[DavidH]

Virtually all modern science huh? My comment has nothing to do with physics, medical sciences, and other things.

Of course it does. I am no evolutionary biologist, but I do understand that nothing in modern evolutionary theory that defies modern physics and chemistry. The timescales involved correspond with observations in astronomy and astrophysics. If you are going to tackle a modern scientific theory, you are taking on all of the evidence and observations that support all of the other theories that it is built on.

All I am saying is that logically, the theory that everything evolved from a common ancestor, for example a person from an insect is bogus.

Evolutionary theory would say that humans and insects share a common ancestor, not that that we have evolved from what we know today as insects, as you seem to be implying.

By 'logic', do you mean 'common sense'? I am unsure by how you are using that word.

To be clear, is it 'logical' to you to claim that everything was poofed into existence?

Also, if there was a common ancestor, who or what created that?

You question is malformed, in that it presupposes a 'who' or a 'what' and 'creation point' as if there was a point in time where a population of organisms suddenly became a different, or two different populations of organisms.

Is "[science] is bogus" the best you can offer at this time?

Rather than have you chase your tail further, can I offer another reason why you may need evolutionary theory to be faulty?

I'm guessing that you feel that if you had to accept that science is accurately describing reality, then the central magic/miracle/mysticism of your religion (that is in conflict with science) would necessarily be false, and that would make you sad.

 

[ThatJeeper2017]

Of course it does. I am no evolutionary biologist, but I do understand that nothing in modern evolutionary theory that defies modern physics and chemistry. The timescales involved correspond with observations in astronomy and astrophysics. If you are going to tackle a modern scientific theory, you are taking on all of the evidence and observations that support all of the other theories that it is built on.



Evolutionary theory would say that humans and insects share a common ancestor, not that that we have evolved from what we know today as insects, as you seem to be implying.



By 'logic', do you mean 'common sense'? I am unsure by how you are using that word.



To be clear, is it 'logical' to you to claim that everything was poofed into existence?



You question is malformed, in that it presupposes a 'who' or a 'what' and 'creation point' as if there was a point in time where a population of organisms suddenly became a different, or two different populations of organisms.



Is "[science] is bogus" the best you can offer at this time?



Rather than have you chase your tail further, can I offer another reason why you may need evolutionary theory to be faulty?



I'm guessing that you feel that if you had to accept that science is accurately describing reality, then the central magic/miracle/mysticism of your religion (that is in conflict with science) would necessarily be false, and that would make you sad.

Ok. I’m using an insect as a common ancestor as an example. Your theory, yes, theory would be slightly more believable if maybe there was a basic ancestor for every genus or even family, and also I am saying, MY statement has nothing against physics or medical sciences, and I am not implying that yours is either, and yes, this theory to me is ridiculous.


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[Duuuuuuuude]

Ok. I’m using an insect as a common ancestor as an example.

Your theory, yes, theory would be slightly more believable if maybe there was a basic ancestor for every genus or even family,

The theory goes that everything developed from a single organic point of origin, evidenced by all life on earth being genetically tied to each other.

and also I am saying, MY statement has nothing against physics or medical sciences, and I am not implying that yours is either, and yes, this theory to me is ridiculous.

All of the sciences are intertwined. You don't get one without taking pieces of another. What stands true in one field must also stand true in another, otherwise all of it would fall apart.

 

[Rybroca]

All right. The theory of evolution is completely erroneous. Science proves this. Blood clotting: no clotting (blood flows out), no blood, no life. Look at the steps of blood clotting. I believe there are twelve steps to the process. If we (all life) "evolved" one step at a time—nothing would have survived long enough to contribute to the "living" construction crew of life. The first creatures with blood would not survive with anything less than than all twelve steps of the clotting process—science is replete with examples of life having to "all come together" at once. Existence is a far too complex, intermingled, interconnected, interdependent a system to be entropic. Which came first: the trees that give off oxygen or the animals who produce carbon dioxide? This has all been created. There are a lot, a lot of faithful scientists. Their studies only bolster their faith. Even in the theory of evolution itself is hidden the very clues of a pre ordained process. Something from nothing—the very definition of creation (not something just happening). What is driving life on to greater and greater expression in this theory of evolutIon—NOTHING? JUST BECAUSE! Laughable. Why would life go from awesome, powerful, tough lizards who can survive for a month without food to then "will" itself (here again the hint of creationism in the theory itself) into the much more weak hominid with its constant need to maintain a vastly more complex system? I stuck some paint, brushes and a canvas in the dryer for a month: I did not get the Mona Lisa—just a new dryer! Heaven, Hell, God? All within each of us: my opinion.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

All very poor, and uneducated arguments.

 

[DavidH]

Ok. I’m using an insect as a common ancestor as an example.

Then your example would be in error.

Your theory,

Not my theory.

yes, theory

Attempting to equivocate scientific 'theory' with the more colloquial term would not fool my ten-year-old. Give it up already.

would be slightly more believable

Scientific theories do not require belief. Do you need to believe in semiconductor theory before you can use a computer?

if maybe there was a basic ancestor for every genus or even family,

So you are not familiar with the theory that you are critiquing?

We are all fortunate that we live at a time where we don't all need to understand germ theory or semiconductor theory to go to the hospital or get a new cell phone.

and also I am saying, MY statement has nothing against physics or medical sciences,

Yes, it does. That you do not acknowledge this demonstrates your lack of understanding.

and I am not implying that yours is either,

Nothing in modern evolutionary theory contradicts the observations and evidence that support the balance of modern science.

and yes, this theory to me is ridiculous.

You have demonstrated that you are not actually familiar with science involved.

This is what fascinates me about religionists - you can make confident but uneducated statements about things you don't actually understand, and I don't think you feel foolish about it at all. Nonsense on stilts. :lmao:

It is posts like yours that I use to demonstrate to my children what religion can do to one's critical thinking abilities.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Why would life go from awesome, powerful, tough lizards who can survive for a month without food to then "will" itself (here again the hint of creationism in the theory itself) into the much more weak hominid with its constant need to maintain a vastly more complex system?

This is funny. :ror:

 

[Scrap]

Nope.

Religion is all fine and dandy until people start believing.

 

[DavidH]

All right.

Are you aware that there are evangelical Christians, such as Francis Collins, a past director of the National Human Genome Research Institute, that fully accept that modern science accurately describes how the diversity of life evolved here on Earth? Perhaps he understands the science involved, where you... are not even wrong. :lmao:

Scientist Francis Collins on evolution science faith religion genome gene language of God - Beliefnet

All within each of us: my opinion.

As long as the religious keep their religious opinions to themselves, particularly those in our government, our school systems, and our judiciary.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

If I were to believe in a god, I would certainly understand science to be an examination of the method and continued workings of that gods creation. It's a perfectly reasonable stance to take, unlike dismissing tens of thousands of years of combined effort in favor of a bit of text from a time that had no real working knowledge of the world around it.

 

[vonclod]

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[DavidH]

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[Bbknucks]

I went to Christian schools and went to church 2 times a week for many years until I was old enough to make my own decisions.

If there is a God. He is a real ***hole! Look at all the natural disasters that kill soo many innocent people.

All the children that are born with defects only to live terribly painful short lives and never had a chance. The parents of those children who did everything right for their family and now have to watch that baby die.

And you hear things like "it's all in God's plan" or "they are in a better place"

BULL****!! People just believe that crap cause they need to. They can't handle the thought that after you die you are just dead. They need to believe their loved one isn't gone just somewhere else, somewhere better. I get it, losing a child would be hard.

And to believe a book of stories that is so old and translated and rewritten countless times...well...and then to affect other people's life's by making laws based on your believing in said stories just sucks to say the least.

And then the story of Babel.. come on

My feelings are if you believe...cool... just keep it to yourself

 

[ThatJeeper2017]

Are you aware that there are evangelical Christians, such as Francis Collins, a past director of the National Human Genome Research Institute, that fully accept that modern science accurately describes how the diversity of life evolved here on Earth? Perhaps he understands the science involved, where you... are not even wrong. :lmao:



Scientist Francis Collins on evolution science faith religion genome gene language of God - Beliefnet







As long as the religious keep their religious opinions to themselves, particularly those in our government, our school systems, and our judiciary.

This country was founded on a Christian basis, just read the constitution.


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[Duuuuuuuude]

This country was founded on a Christian basis, just read the constitution.


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Christ is mentioned exactly zero times. Don't even start that here...

 

[ThatJeeper2017]

Christ may not be but God and the Bible is.


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