rock hard
dnf
really?
I dont hear much at all about what we did when america proceeded with
mass genocide of the indian inhabitants
I can search and find many examples.....these are the things lost in the propaganda
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9/11 Theories
- Thread starter Duuuuuuuude
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really?
I dont hear much at all about what we did when america proceeded with
mass genocide of the indian inhabitants
I can search and find many examples.....these are the things lost in the propaganda
I don't think they really care. They're dead.
Thats true. Conquests are ugly things.
The Spanish did the same in Mexico. Mexicans didn't always speak Spanish or name their kids Jesus you know...:ror:
A few statistics to chew on here, hopefully it'll give you leave to rethink your opinion and it's "solution"
4777 dead coalition service men and woman since the start of TWOT
500 amputees from the US alone
31,000 US service men/women wounded in action
360,000 TBI's again on US service men/women alone
30,000+ Ex service men/women undergoing treatment for severe PTSD
200 a year Suicides of service men/women
And that's not the worst.
1 million+ Dead CIVILIAN Iraq's
100,000+ Refuges fleeing their home and families every single month
This without even mention Afghanistan, Somalia, drone attacks etc etc.
I watched a report that said that as many as 20% of the Iraq population have lost a close family relative as a direct result of TWOT.
For what?
The US is on an even higher state of alert since before TWOT, so it's actually a less safe country to live in.
It's cost billions and billions of $, alienated and bred hate into more or less an entire geographical area.
And after all that death, pain, tragedy, suffering and money the instigator and supposed planner and leader was executed without a trial in a foreign country that's now strained relations even more.
To which war are you referring? Iraq, Afganistan, or both?
You are getting your wars confused, Iraq had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TALIBAN, AL QEADA or 9/11. That war, in my humble opinion is unjustified. Afghanistan on the other hand, is 100% justified, and what is the main topic of discussion.
I think it is naive to underestimate what Al Qeada is willing to do to us if given a chance. We know they are trying to get a hold of bio and nuclear weapons at this very moment. If they light off a nice sized suitcase nuke in your neck of the woods you'd likely rethink the cycling of that switch and not give a damn about who we piss off.
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A nuclear or biological attack is a much different thing than flying planes into buildings.
Either one of those could have lasting effects on life the world over. It would be enough to consider a preemptive strike. But then again, where would you strike? The AQ are all over the middle east. Picking one spot to bomb and killing thousands of people could do nothing to save us.
vonclod
Rock Crawler
vonclod
Rock Crawler
probably read about in other countries schoolbooks
Ah, but you are missing the point of the question... If you could prevent that type of attack by cycling that switch, knowing there would be 100,000 dead, would you?
Again, prior to going in to Iraq, we had Al Qeada on the ropes, taking the pressure off them to invade and occupy Iraq will be one of history's great blunders.
vonclod
Rock Crawler
true enough
vonclod
Rock Crawler
i think it goes beyond blunder and almost into the realm of criminal..as you said iraq had nothing to do with 911 but they really wanted to invade and accepted bad intell that they pretty much knew was bad as a lame excuse..the plans for invasion were drawn up long before..just needed an excuse..look at the cost for all involved..canada was pressured to join the iraq deal but said no way..i,m not so sure about our present govt though:roll:..our prime minister stated the other day that the #1 threat to canada is islamic terrorists:roll:..what a fawkin idiot
If that flipping that switch meant a reasonable chance of killing the aggressors, and that whatever they had planned would potentially effect more than just a small target area, then I would deeply consider it. Taking innocent lives should not be an easily concluded defensive move.
AQ is problematic for more than Americans. If that is so, why are we the primary force in this war? This should be a highly collaborative effort, as its highly doubtful that we are the only country in their sights.
I forget exactly which long ago war it was (Civil War I think...), but Russia sent a fleet of ships and soldiers to our western shores to aid the Union in their fight against the English/French backed Confederates, even though we were not on the best of terms with them. They did it because they knew that if we fell, they would be next. If AQ manages to do serious damage to us its reasonable to believe that they will do it to others as well.
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There it is, we have found common ground! "thumbsup"
I know we have really derailed this thread, but there is some great debate here and everyone kept it civil.
Maybe. Its related. Without 9/11 we wouldn't be there.
vonclod
Rock Crawler
haha its all good, the debates are fun and you never know what direction they will take..obviously im not american but i like to pipe in..we all want the same for the most part..truth, honesty, justice..etc"thumbsup"..lol i guess truth and honesty are the same..maybee freedom is what i meant..most important one
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vonclod
Rock Crawler
i think maybee some of the powers that be wanted to finish the job stated in 90/91..9/11 made that easier
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Ya think? Saddam became a target pretty damn fast...its pretty obvious to me that junior was finishing daddy's work.
rock hard
dnf
hmm,daddy bush was limited in what he could do or he WOULD have removed sadam.
But when he went to congress for the authority it was cuz what sadam was doing to the kuwaties.
So,congress gave him power to go get sadam,OUT OF KUWAT.
sadam was a smart man,he simply pulled out of thier territory,bush's hands was tied,he had not the authority from congress to procede.
Junior learned from dads mistaks,and when he went to congress,worded it much more carefully....GET sadam
sadam deffinatly had mwd's once,as he used them in the 90's
He wouldnt let the inspectors in,,,,,14 un resolutions later,guess what.
There is a republican in office,we are pissed cuz we just got attacked.
we fear you may selll you wmd's to terror cells,If you dont have them let us check//// he reufused what would you have a president do
Bush did exactly what I would expect any leader with MY countries best interst at heart.
And von
Your prime minnister may be right
consider this
islam is the fastest growing religion in the world
The europ[ian nations will be hit 1st,but it will eventually reach your soils aswell
what other nation or group posses a greater threat to your countries saftey
at this time?
TattooKenny
Who's your Daddy-0!
I was really big into all of this for years. Look up the research Popular Machanic did on conspiracy theories on 9/11. The put together the best team of guys that anyone has done to date about all of this. They offer a logical answer to every question about everything that happened on 9/11. Now go read!
vonclod
Rock Crawler
i dont really feel threatened by that..we have different foriegn policy or generally have and as such are not really direct targets although it is certianly possible we could become one but i dont think a large scale deal like 9/11 would happen..our pm and his cohorts simply weant to creat a culture of fear so they can chip away at our freadoms in the name of security..its about control..period
