StomperCrawler
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Did you actually read the first article? The point is that people are incapable of true objectivity, therefore asking for objective evidence is a fallacy.
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Do you believe in God,Heaven or Hell?
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Did you actually read the first article? The point is that people are incapable of true objectivity, therefore asking for objective evidence is a fallacy.
ThatJeeper2017
Rock Crawler
Are you proposing that science not be taught in school? Or that you simply found the subject too difficult?
Are you actually trying to tell me how I think and what I believe?
Your mind-reading apparatus is definitely out of adjustment.
With cafeteria-type religions, one can never be sure of the beliefs of a given religionist.
There is Francis Collins, an American physician-geneticist noted for his discoveries of disease genes and his leadership of the Human Genome Project. He is director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) in Bethesda, Maryland, United States. He is an evangelical Christian and fully accepts modern evolutionary biology and modern cosmology.
Some pages back I made a comment about a magic character that poofed the universe, people and animals into existence, and later, in a manner contrary to the modern understanding of genetics, populated the planet with a tiny group of individuals and animals that survived a global flood in an unbuildable boat, an unevidenced flood that killed the dinosaurs in a manner that only *appears* to be 65 million years ago, because the Earth is really only somehow 6000 years old to be completely absurd and unbelievable.
In your response you did not mention that anything here was amiss.
And I have made several comments on some of the tenets of Christianity, and shown how they are morally bankrupt, and you have not yet stepped up to show me wrong.
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No, not at all, I believe that it should be taught as though it is a theory, not the ultimate truth. And don’t say anything about pushing the Bible, because that is found at SOME private schools. Oh, really? What about the theory that the earth poofed into existence by an enormous explosion, or Big Bang? I’ve asked numerous times and still yet to have gotten a explaination for this theory. Can’t have it both ways.
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ThatJeeper2017
Rock Crawler
-Science should be taught in a manner that though some is proven, some is still not proven
-The Bible shouldn’t be pushed in schools, but schools should not have the right to take the freedom to believe in God away.
My beliefs are my beliefs yours are yours. Not all will figure it out until they are standing at those pearly gates and are told “depart from me, I never knew you”. I love watching people try to sway me. It won’t happen.
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-The Bible shouldn’t be pushed in schools, but schools should not have the right to take the freedom to believe in God away.
My beliefs are my beliefs yours are yours. Not all will figure it out until they are standing at those pearly gates and are told “depart from me, I never knew you”. I love watching people try to sway me. It won’t happen.
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You've already sent him to hell for not believing in the correct imaginary friend. Why should he not relax while waiting to go there?
If god was real you wouldn't need to believe in him.
BTW why is it always "him" and not her?
If god was real you wouldn't need to believe in him.
BTW why is it always "him" and not her?
ThatJeeper2017
Rock Crawler
ThatJeeper2017
Rock Crawler
DavidH
Quarry Creeper
My laziness? What makes you think I have not already been down all of those dead ends already?
Of course, if you yourself had made the effort to vet those links before you just threw them out here, you would realize I was sending you on a snipe hunt.
And your failure to see things from another's perspective is going to land you on Santa's 'naughty' list. You won't be laughing when you get that lump of coal in your stocking come Christmas morning.
I see the random-bible-verse generator is back online. "thumbsup"
Yes. I have been a member of CARM for several years, and have read many of Mr. Slicks articles.
Objectivity is a slippery thing, but a reasonable amount can be obtained. The ability to be objective in my contemplations moved me from atheism to soft deism.
Any self respecting scientist or science educator will freely admit that not all things in science are cold hard facts. It is a continuing examination of the natural world, and all things are subject to revision, provided sufficient evidence is provided.
No school takes that away.
And that is your belief. Which I do not share.
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Scientific theory is different than casual conversational theory.
A working scientific theory has been rigorously tested and verified by multiple sources, and is often the basis for things that we interact with in our daily lives. It is as close to ultimate truth as one could hope to get.
Conversational theory is more in line with a hypothesis or philosophizing.
Through various scientific observations, we have found that A) the universe is expanding, and B) is still accelerating. Determining the speed and trajectories of observable astronomical bodies allows us to work backwards, and further determine that all observable matter in the universe originated from a single point in space and time. A portion of that matter coalesced into masses, which eventually became stars and planets and everything else that we see in the night sky.
Misogyny. Have you never read the bible? :ror:
Actyally yes.
I started from the beginning and got fed up at the 10 commandments.
I mean page after page about how the stone tablets are to be stored in the ark and how the ark must be made. And how the ark is supposed to be in this elaborate tent and how the tent is supposed to be made. Then in a little paragraph the actual commandments are like an afterthough. "We got this here tent now what are we going to put in it?"
Then after the commandments it is again multiple pages describing how the people made that elaborate tent.
Kind of made me wonder what exactly was the important bit. The tent?
Might pick it up again some day. Although it is a very poorly written book.
Now I can read dull books or dull parts of books. I actually read through the boat list in the Iliad and counted the boats. IIRC it actually was a bit more than a thousand ships that sailed to Troy.
I started from the beginning and got fed up at the 10 commandments.
I mean page after page about how the stone tablets are to be stored in the ark and how the ark must be made. And how the ark is supposed to be in this elaborate tent and how the tent is supposed to be made. Then in a little paragraph the actual commandments are like an afterthough. "We got this here tent now what are we going to put in it?"
Then after the commandments it is again multiple pages describing how the people made that elaborate tent.
Kind of made me wonder what exactly was the important bit. The tent?
Might pick it up again some day. Although it is a very poorly written book.
Now I can read dull books or dull parts of books. I actually read through the boat list in the Iliad and counted the boats. IIRC it actually was a bit more than a thousand ships that sailed to Troy.
DavidH
Quarry Creeper
Seriously, are you still at the 'just a theory' stage?
And in what science class is anything taught as the 'ultimate truth'? Have you ever been in a science class?
I don't take issue with that.
I am not familiar with that theory, unless this this your strawman misrepresentation of the scientific theory.
Where did you get the impression that such a subject that that could be explained in a few posts on the internet?
Try asking at a local college, where they might offer day or night classes on this subject. Yes this will involve time and money. Don't be so cheap and lazy about it.
In this thread, it's only your and your god claims that are on the table. That you continue to cling to your "science is bogus, therefore the bible stories are real" misdirection is further confirmation that you lack anything of significance to back them up.
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DavidH
Quarry Creeper
Science does not do 'proven', it does testable, falsifiable, repeatable.
What does religion do? Dogma? Shouting matches? Warfare?
Or fairies, or Santa Claus. I think that is pretty much the way most schools work.
The beliefs that I have do not require virtually all of modern science to be wildly inaccurate.
Do you love how your religion is shown to be morally and intellectually bankrupt?
Is your level of conviction in your beliefs in some way intended to impress others that that your beliefs are somehow - despite all evidence to the contrary - an accurate description of reality?
The problem that you have with that is when the unconvinced, such as myself, meet another individual that is equally committed, but to different beliefs, the two of you cancel out. And there are not two of you, but millions.
You can't all be right. However, you can all be wrong.
Rubicon_Bill
Newbie
Don't judge; but i am an atheist. Have never believed in god or heaven or hell. I believe in myself and i treat other people as I would like to be treated (The Golden Rule)
The concept of God is just to far fetched for me. I am more logical and science minded so therefore evolution makes more sense to me. Sure people say 'so where did it all start though?' to which I answer, we just have not figured that out yet; but we will.
The concept of God is just to far fetched for me. I am more logical and science minded so therefore evolution makes more sense to me. Sure people say 'so where did it all start though?' to which I answer, we just have not figured that out yet; but we will.
ThatJeeper2017
Rock Crawler
This is fun.
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spaceman5280
Quarry Creeper
More evidence for my hypothesis that you are indeed a Poe....
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ThatJeeper2017
Rock Crawler
Ha ha ha!
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StomperCrawler
RCC Addict
How are the big bang theory or evolutionary theory any of those? When was the last time a scientist created a big bang... wait... well, you know what I mean! =P How about the last time a scientist managed to evolve anything?
Atheists put as much or more faith in science than Christians put in the Bible, and close their eyes when their "evidence" is disproved. Take the appendix, for example. For years evolutionists claimed that this "extra" appendage was a leftover from evolution. Now that science has developed the ability to observe God's design for the appendix, we know that, among other functions, it contains the backup good bacteria to reset the digestive tract should it become damaged: https://goo.gl/xxw8HV
The most important faith difference I see ATM is that atheists are concerned with being right about the beginnings of the universe, while Christians are concerned with getting right with the Judge of the universe.
DavidH
Quarry Creeper
As someone that has never been religious, or really ever discussed religion in person with anyone, I have had moments when I have come to the conclusion that they (religionists, or at least those on the internet) are *all* 'poe's' because when you really look into the religion stuff, how could anybody fall for it?
But then it's not just not religions, but conspiracy theories, moon hoaxes, alien visitations, Bigfoot...
It's fun to hash this stuff out, but sometimes it seems that we humans are simply hairless chimps with a thin veneer of rationality. Youtube, anyone?
