Do you believe in God,Heaven or Hell?

[Scrap]

the Judge of the universe.

Is that Judge Dredd or some character from The Masters of the Universe?

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

HHow about the last time a scientist managed to evolve anything?

With all of the advancements in genetic research, tweaking the human genome isn't that far off. Maybe within our current lifetimes.

Atheists put as much or more faith in science than Christians put in the Bible, and close their eyes when their "evidence" is disproved. Take the appendix, for example. For years evolutionists claimed that this "extra" appendage was a leftover from evolution. Now that science has developed the ability to observe God's design for the appendix, we know that, among other functions, it contains the backup good bacteria to reset the digestive tract should it become damaged: https://goo.gl/xxw8HV

Anyone can get an education in science and change it. The opportunities for discovery and advancement are limited only by our imaginations and efforts.

Anyone can get an education in Christianity and change nothing about it. Everything has already been discovered, and there is nothing to advance. There are no new ideas or answers in religion.

The purpose of the appendix has not been solved. No consensus has been made, or function proven. A big clue to that would be the link to the search results that you provided. There is a big fat "May" in the headline. "May" is not an indication of a solid conclusion.

The most important faith difference I see ATM is that atheists are concerned with being right about the beginnings of the universe, while Christians are concerned with getting right with the Judge of the universe.

Science is not faith. Science is a reasoned and thorough examination of the things we find around us, and the practical application thereof.

Faith, by its very definition, is a bet placed on something that we cannot know.

But you are correct. Christians naturally concern themselves with doing right by God because that is something that they are compelled to do. Atheists, not having a god nor the compulsion, turn their attentions to other things.

 

[Scrap]

BTW

If I were to take up religion then which one is the correct one? Seems like every single one of them says that they are the only correct one with a straight line to heaven. Furthermore all the others are wrong and will go to hell.

So which one is the one with the real heaven?

 

[DavidH]

How are the big bang theory or evolutionary theory any of those?

As I said earlier, I recommend applying to a local college, where they might offer day or night classes on this subject. Yes this will involve time and money. Don't be so cheap and lazy about it. (But I know you will ;-) )

When was the last time a scientist created a big bang... wait... well, you know what I mean!

As I recall it was Georges Lemaître, a Belgian Catholic Priest, astronomer and professor of physics at the Catholic University of Leuven that proposed the scientific theory of the expansion of the universe, based on astronomical observations. These observations are repeatable, measurable, and can be independently verified.

This theory could be falsified at any time, should someone produce observations that counter the theory, but to date that has not happened. Perhaps that could be you.

:lmao:

=P How about the last time a scientist managed to evolve anything?

You'll find out about that in class.

Atheists

Since when is atheist synonymous with biologist or astronomer? I certainly had no real interest in those subjects until I was forty.

Atheism is simply the lack of beliefs in gods. That's it.

put as much or more faith in science than Christians put in the Bible,

Why would I need faith in something I didn't care about? And still don't really, but I like to be able to have an informed discussion on these topics with my older children.

and close their eyes when their "evidence" is disproved.

From what I gather, scientists (religious or not) are excited when theories are falsified, as this means they've learned something new. It is a good thing.

Take the appendix, for example. For years evolutionists claimed that this "extra" appendage was a leftover from evolution. Now that science has developed the ability to observe God's design for the appendix, we know that, among other functions, it contains the backup good bacteria to reset the digestive tract should it become damaged: https://goo.gl/xxw8HV

Was it also God's design to put the playground so close to the sewer outlet?

The most important faith difference I see ATM is that atheists are concerned with being right about the beginnings of the universe,

That looks like one cheap-ass mind-reading hat that you have there. Made in China, no doubt.

Beyond an intellectual achievement, what has the origins of the universe have to do with even the price of milk at the market?

while Christians are concerned with getting right with the Judge of the universe.

To be clear, assuming you've picked the right one, this "judge" of yours is not ultimately concerned with how you lived your life, if you've murdered, raped, or stood idly by and allowed such things to happen when you could have prevented it, correct? As long as you believe [in the right god] the rest is window dressing.

A pretty sad basis for a system of morality, it would seem.

I suppose you can sweep all those murder and rape victims under the carpet if you feel that eternal life is coming to you.

 

[DavidH]

Is that Judge Dredd or some character from The Masters of the Universe?

He [allegedly] is the all-knowing-all-powerful creator of all space and time, all life on this planet, and judges people for things beyond their control, but recently has been reduced to finding good parking spots for some and for watching out for other individuals doing this...

 

[Rotare]

Take some time and put the Bible on your summer reading list. Try and stick with it, cover to cover. Not because it teaches history — we've shown you it doesn't. Read it because you'll see for yourself what the Bible is all about — it sure isn't great literature. If it were published as fiction, no reviewer would give it a passing grade. There are some vivid scenes and some quotable phrases, but — there's no plot. No structure. There's a tremendous amount of filler, and the characters are painfully one-dimensional. Whatever you do, don't read the Bible for a moral code. It advocates prejudice, cruelty, superstition, and murder. Read it because we need more atheists. And nothing will get you there faster than reading the damn Bible.

—Penn Jillette, Penn & Teller

"thumbsup"

 

[lunatick]

But did God create the earth flat or as a globe ?

 

[dude26]

hope to see someone talk about flat earth...

need more popcorn.....

 

[StomperCrawler]

With all of the advancements in genetic research, tweaking the human genome isn't that far off. Maybe within our current lifetimes.

That's called tampering, not evolutionary advancement. It's like saying that the computer came into being by itself over thousands of years of evolution, and then we put neon lights inside and said: "Look! It evolved some more!" Ridiculous.

Science is not faith. Science is a reasoned and thorough examination of the things we find around us, and the practical application thereof.

Faith, by its very definition, is a bet placed on something that we cannot know.

By those definitions, atheists are showing an enormous amount of faith as they bet their eternal souls on a theory of the beginning of the universe where a bunch of gasses, matter, etc happened to be in the right place at the right time and in just the right proportions, nevermind that the chances are astronomically and exponentially thin... oh and that they have not even the hint of an idea as to where those aforementioned ingredients came from in the first place.

At the same time, we Christians are showing astounding scientific method by reasoning our way through the Bible, which is found around us on our coffee tables, and making practical applications of its truth to our individual lives.

 

[StomperCrawler]

He [allegedly] is the all-knowing-all-powerful creator of all space and time, all life on this planet, and judges people for things beyond their control

Not to pry, but since you keep putting it out there, what's the deal with "beyond their control"? If someone had a gun to thier head and somebody told them to do something, wouldn't they still have a choice? I'm trying to understand.

 

[StomperCrawler]

Whatever you do, don't read the Bible for a moral code... Read it because we need more atheists. And nothing will get you there faster

Do you know why we don't need to read a Bible to get a moral code? Because we have morality/conscience built-in that God put there. It can be ignored... even rendered silent through doing enough evil, but then the memory of its existence is still there... eating away at us. Neither the big bang, nor evolution could have put it there.

Oh, and if anyone's an atheist, by all means do read it; that's how C.S. Lewis and many others became Christians.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

That's called tampering, not evolutionary advancement.

I cannot disagree with that. There are moral and ethical considerations that need to be made before such procedures could be considered. For those in the genetic science community, it is already on the table and being discussed.

By those definitions, atheists are showing an enormous amount of faith as they bet their eternal souls on a theory of the beginning of the universe where a bunch of gasses, matter, etc happened to be in the right place at the right time and in just the right proportions, nevermind that the chances are astronomically and exponentially thin... oh and that they have not even the hint of an idea as to where those aforementioned ingredients came from in the first place.

Not any more than you bet your eternal soul on worshiping the correct god out of thousands that are available to us.

You are correct stating that it is not known where the aforementioned ingredients came from. Our understanding breaks down a fraction of a second after those ingredients began moving. Still, known observed evidence strongly supports the Big Bang, far more than all other theories and hypothesis proposed thus far. 50 years ago, an eternal universe theory (no beginning, no end) stood toe-to-toe with the BB, but new information and knowledge pushed it aside.

At the same time, we Christians are showing astounding scientific method by reasoning our way through the Bible, which is found around us on our coffee tables, and making practical applications of its truth to our individual lives.

Hardly. If you properly reason your way through the bible you wouldn't continue being a Christian. You clearly do not understand the principals of the scientific method.

Religion is dependent on not only there being a creator, but a very specific creator determined by the system of belief surrounding it. You cannot apply scientific method to a question with a predetermined answer. Scientific method demands that you find an answer wherever it may lay, regardless of whether or not you want it to lay there.

Science is a question in search of a proper answer. Religion is an answer in search of a proper question.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Oh, and if anyone's an atheist, by all means do read it; that's how C.S. Lewis and many others became Christians.

I've read it. Twice. Cover to cover. I wasn't convinced.

 

[ThatJeeper2017]

Really? My science textbooks had the same or very similar info as public school textbooks written from a scientific perspective properly explaing every thing, INCLUDING the scientific method.


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[StomperCrawler]

As I said earlier, I recommend applying to a local college, where they might offer day or night classes on this subject. Yes this will involve time and money. Don't be so cheap and lazy about it. (But I know you will ;-) )

One of my degrees is in science, but I thank you for your concern.

To be clear, assuming you've picked the right one, this "judge" of yours is not ultimately concerned with how you lived your life, if you've murdered, raped, or stood idly by and allowed such things to happen when you could have prevented it, correct? As long as you believe [in the right god] the rest is window dressing.

A pretty sad basis for a system of morality, it would seem.

I suppose you can sweep all those murder and rape victims under the carpet if you feel that eternal life is coming to you.

Actually, He is very concerned about the way we live our lives. He wants us to live above reproach, and be patient and loving towards others, which is what I'm trying to do in this thread and others on RCC (albeit sometimes unsuccessfully).

And no, nothing gets swept under the carpet. Everyone will be judged and punished accordingly. However, the judge came down from His throne and received the punishment already for anyone who puts thier trust in Him.

Does that mean a Christian can just lie, murder, rape, and steal without consequences? Of course not. For one thing, anyone who calls themselves a Christian but is involved in habitual or heinous sin needs to consider the distinct possibility that they don't really have the faith-based relationship with thier Creator that they thought they had, and that they will be going to hell for eternity when they die. To trust in God means to lay down our evil desires in exchange for His good works that He wants us to do, like giving other people the opportunity to know Him.

 

[ThatJeeper2017]

Atheists, if you don’t want to read the Bible don’t, just don’t try to take my freedom of religion away, and we’re all good.


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[StomperCrawler]

I've read it. Twice. Cover to cover. I wasn't convinced.

I never said it was guaranteed. Clearly your road to salvation/enlightenment is different than Lewis'. However I can promise you this, because Jesus makes this promise: "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.*For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened" (Matthew 7:7-8), but remember, as the prophet Jeremiah said: "You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart" (29:13).

 

[CREEPERBOB]

Is the random-bible-verse generator not working today?

No my mind and memory works fine"thumbsup", just didn't have time to sit down so I just expressed my feelings ;-).

 

[travis c.]

I wonder what the IQ is of believers vs. non believers.

 

[DavidH]

hope to see someone talk about flat earth...

need more popcorn.....

With gods, nothing is impossible...