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fire dept in tenn lets house burn down cuz ownwer forgot to pay $75 annual fee

I've never stopped on the side of the road to help anyone broke down...or stopped to give aid in a car accident situation...unless of course I thought I'd get some money out of it.

Don't think it's right for me to do that kind of stuff without some sort of compensation.

:roll:

ya they didn't pay their annual 75 dollar "let mr.slave save your ass from the side of the road tax"
 
Yes you did word it wrong and, That's my bad. Your still a Jack hole for thinking the way you do. Run your ass in to a burning house and see if you feel diff then.:flipoff:
if that was the job i sighned on for i would do it, i give full respect to those who do risk thier lives..dont know if i,m that brave..and ya i guess the homeowner is a dick..wasnt giveing an opinion on him one way or another (he is not the issue imo)..i guess things are different here..firefighting, police and ambulance are essential services and everyone pays in thier taxes in one form or another and the service is there..there are freeloaders everywhere you go..no getting away from it..i work dam hard for my money but you know what..if a few pennies of it here and there go to help someone who hasnt clued in yet..so be it, thats part/cost of being in society/community..if i myself wasnt helped now and again in my younger/stupider days who knows where id be..probably expired or in prison..my point is and i,ve said it enough, the problem could of been dealt with and the fire dept could of took the 500 that was offered..or sued or whatever..something could of been done and this whole thing wouldnt be..gotta be a better way like i said here we all pay..arguably too much but now im not so sure..we cannot drive unless we are insured..if we buy a house or hold a mortgage there must be insurance..govt rules..i,m not a fan of big govt but in these type of situation it protects everybody..no choice in the matter
 
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How many times would you help someone who refuses to pay for you to do so?
I wouldn't let $75 dollars stop me from trying save a person's property with that much at stake. I guess I'm just compassionate in that way. What is my problem, and mine alone, is they just stood there and let a man who was begging the firefighters to help him and they refused.
 
I wouldn't let $75 dollars stop me from trying save a person's property with that much at stake. I guess I'm just compassionate in that way. What is my problem, and mine alone, is they just stood there and let a man who was begging the firefighters to help him and they refused.
and they were offered 500 cash on the spot by the neigboor who i guess tried to do something to help..thats what community is..i agree 100% shame on the homeowner for not doing his part in paying into the system..but really watching it burn and not accepting the 500 shows that this was just a way of teaching a lesson to the man..and his unfortunate and probably innocent family and pets..and the niegboor who i,m sure suffered some cost and inconvenience
 
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Did anybody see where Gene Cranick's younger son, Timothy is up on Aggrevated Assault charges for busting into the fire house and beating up the Fire Chief?

So, how do all you bleeding heart types feel about that one?

A little better. "thumbsup"

Ditto, not sure how hard I'd try to not do that myself if I was in his shoes, and I heard he even injured himself while doing that.

I've never stopped on the side of the road to help anyone broke down...or stopped to give aid in a car accident situation...unless of course I thought I'd get some money out of it.

Don't think it's right for me to do that kind of stuff without some sort of compensation.

:roll:

I'm just the opposite, I don't expect to be reimbursed and have even turned it down when offered. Damn near had an old man in tears when I changed his flat tire for him and then refused to let him pay me for my time after wards and told him to use it to replace that tire (the side wall was all chopped up likely from driving on it while it was flat.) I swapped for him.

if that was the job i sighned on for i would do it, i give full respect to those who do risk thier lives..dont know if i,m that brave..and ya i guess the homeowner is a dick..wasnt giveing an opinion on him one way or another (he is not the issue imo)..i guess things are different here..firefighting, police and ambulance are essential services and everyone pays in thier taxes in one form or another and the service is there..there are freeloaders everywhere you go..no getting away from it..i work dam hard for my money but you know what..if a few pennies of it here and there go to help someone who hasnt clued in yet..so be it, thats part/cost of being in society/community..if i myself wasnt helped now and again in my younger/stupider days who knows where id be..probably expired or in prison..my point is and i,ve said it enough, the problem could of been dealt with and the fire dept could of took the 500 that was offered..or sued or whatever..something could of been done and this whole thing wouldnt be..gotta be a better way like i said here we all pay..arguably too much but now im not so sure..we cannot drive unless we are insured..if we buy a house or hold a mortgage there must be insurance..govt rules..i,m not a fan of big govt but in these type of situation it protects everybody..no choice in the matter

Well said"thumbsup"

I wouldn't let $75 dollars stop me from trying save a person's property with that much at stake. I guess I'm just compassionate in that way. What is my problem, and mine alone, is they just stood there and let a man who was begging the firefighters to help him and they refused.

and they were offered 500 cash on the spot by the neigboor who i guess tried to do something to help..thats what community is..i agree 100% shame on the homeowner for not doing his part in paying into the system..but really watching it burn and not accepting the 500 shows that this was just a way of teaching a lesson to the man..and his unfortunate and probably innocent family and pets..and the niegboor who i,m sure suffered some cost and inconvenience

I guess that's what gets me, yea the homeowner could have been a bit more proactive and less cheap, but just letting a structure fire rage over $75-$150 seems just petty and stupid at best, and down right cruel and possibly catastrophic to the enviroment and population of the area.
 
Pretty disgusting IMO, but then i've never had to pay for a ambulance, hospital or fire service over here or back in the UK.

The fact that the guy paid or not is irrelevant to me, if the fire department had the resources to put out that fire they should have done.

I just hope the guys got house insurance and the insurance company take the fire department decision maker to the cleaners.

Not the actual fire department but him personally.
Anyone that makes a call like that doesn't deserve to breath the same air as the rest of society.

All because you can doesn't mean you should.
 
Oh, the guy has insurance. He also has websites, news talk shows, and every other bleeding heart begging for money for him. Between the donations and his payout, he'll probably end up with about double what he lost.

As for the pets, as soon as he saw that he wasn't able to control the fire with his garden hose, he should have gotten the pets out of the house.

As for who is responsible, why don't you look at the state or county in which he lives. They're the ones who don't provide any sort of protective services for him. Remember, he doesn't live within the jurisdiction of the city. He lives outside of the city limits. He pays taxes to the state and county, not to the city. That's who should have been responsible for protecting him. Not a city that he doesn't live in.
 
Oh, the guy has insurance. He also has websites, news talk shows, and every other bleeding heart begging for money for him. Between the donations and his payout, he'll probably end up with about double what he lost.

As for the pets, as soon as he saw that he wasn't able to control the fire with his garden hose, he should have gotten the pets out of the house.

As for who is responsible, why don't you look at the state or county in which he lives. They're the ones who don't provide any sort of protective services for him. Remember, he doesn't live within the jurisdiction of the city. He lives outside of the city limits. He pays taxes to the state and county, not to the city. That's who should have been responsible for protecting him. Not a city that he doesn't live in.
the county voted down the chance to have a proper fd..didnt want to increase tax..yet they would of gotten federal grants from fema and other federal organizations..they missed the boat big time..ya this dummy now will end up with more than he started out with..guess they should of put out the dam fire..eh..the county had the chance to do the right thing and passed it up due to politics
 
I'm just the opposite, I don't expect to be reimbursed and have even turned it down when offered. Damn near had an old man in tears when I changed his flat tire for him and then refused to let him pay me for my time after wards and told him to use it to replace that tire (the side wall was all chopped up likely from driving on it while it was flat.) I swapped for him.

I was being sarcastic.....
 
Oh, the guy has insurance. He also has websites, news talk shows, and every other bleeding heart begging for money for him. Between the donations and his payout, he'll probably end up with about double what he lost.

As for the pets, as soon as he saw that he wasn't able to control the fire with his garden hose, he should have gotten the pets out of the house.

As for who is responsible, why don't you look at the state or county in which he lives. They're the ones who don't provide any sort of protective services for him. Remember, he doesn't live within the jurisdiction of the city. He lives outside of the city limits. He pays taxes to the state and county, not to the city. That's who should have been responsible for protecting him. Not a city that he doesn't live in.

To be honest i don't really care who is responsible, what matters to me is the fire department COULD have done something but chose not to.
That brings shame and disrespect to the entire profession.
 
Did anybody see where Gene Cranick's younger son, Timothy is up on Aggrevated Assault charges for busting into the fire house and beating up the Fire Chief?

So, how do all you bleeding heart types feel about that one?

God Damn White Trash.

I've never stopped on the side of the road to help anyone broke down...or stopped to give aid in a car accident situation...unless of course I thought I'd get some money out of it.

Don't think it's right for me to do that kind of stuff without some sort of compensation. :roll:

People need to watch out helping ours any way good samaritan laws can only do so much.
 
Sorry I am probably on the other side of this. I'll agree with the fire dept. They didn't pay, why should you have to do it.

That fire dept is funded by people paying their $75, not through taxes like most.

Those people didn't pay lastyear either and couldn't understand why they just didn't extend it this year too.

If everyone in their district just didn't pay, knowing they'll help you anyway you think they'd be around?


I am sick and tired of people in this country blaming everyone else for their problems, have some god damned accountability.

I agree 100% with this. I am a fireman myself. Why should I risk my life for something that the home owners obviously does not care about. If every single person in that town did not pay there fire dues, then houses would be burning down left and right because they would not have fire protection at all. Why should they get a "free" service that they are not paying for. what if the fire department was putting there house fire out and your house caught fire and lets say you did pay your fire dues. what would you do? Would you be pist and go after the fire department because they helped them and couldnt get to your house? Its a bad situation either way. I would not have sent my guys in there either. Just last year this same problem occured in the same town. If folks cant learn from that then too damn bad. Dont get pist at mayor or fireman because of what happend. It is clearly the home owners fault. They are not state funded so with that said they have to depend on that $75 bucks.
 
The FD should put out the fire IMO. Though that being said, if the home owner didn't pay the fee, the FD should be able to put a lein against the property. That should be the easiest solution.

SS
 
The FD should put out the fire IMO. Though that being said, if the home owner didn't pay the fee, the FD should be able to put a lein against the property. That should be the easiest solution.

SS

A lien? For a $75 fee?

If people read the whole thread it came out that there was more to this story. The first guy has already been given the benefit of the doubt once. He already had a problem in which they helped him before with no fee paid. Well. He didn't pay again. He obviously didn't learn his lesson the first time. Guess what. He tried to abuse the system and it came back and bit him in the ass. Screw him. He got what he deserved.
 
I can certainly see both sides of this argument. I can understand when someone was told over and over again. However, I recently had an issue where my house alarm went off and the monitoring company called me and asked if I would like the police called....I said yes. A few minutes later, they monitoring company called back and said that the police told them that they would not be coming. It turns out that I had not completed an alarm permit form (and, of course, fee). A form/fee that I knew nothing about. I let the police chief know my feelings on this subject the next day and told him that a policy like that is going to get them sued when a homeowner gets injured trying to defend his house because the police refused to.

I do not know the background story on this second incident, but if it is anything like my situation above, the people have the right to be pissed off.
 
A lien? For a $75 fee?

If people read the whole thread it came out that there was more to this story. The first guy has already been given the benefit of the doubt once. He already had a problem in which they helped him before with no fee paid. Well. He didn't pay again. He obviously didn't learn his lesson the first time. Guess what. He tried to abuse the system and it came back and bit him in the ass. Screw him. He got what he deserved.


No a lein for the entire cost, not just the fee.

SS
 
Let the damn house burn. There needs to be more consequences for people's actions in this world.

If the owner doesn't like the $75 fee to keep the fire department funded then he should move somewhere else. Screw telling the fire dept to go in and put it out, if the owner doesn't care enough to pay the fees then why should anyone else care what happens to the house.
 
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