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Id like to share my story with you all. At the age of 16 I started working at minimum wage washing cars and then transferred over to a tire shop changing tires and doing oil changes after school. Summertime came and I really wanted a 5.0 fox body so I tried my hand working on a fishing boat in Alaska. Just myself and a female captain. It was awkward and I missed home so after 3 days on the water I quit and hopped on another boat back to port. Went back to washing cars for a few more months and then tried working food service again at minimum wage. As time went on I dropped out of high school and got a GED at 18 I went to work for a friends dad who was contracted to do cleanup at a local sawmill for a couple dollars more than mw. Got my gf at the time pregnant and laughed it off for most of the pregnancy and soon realized I had to get my shit together to support my child and went to work for the mill I was cleaning up. That lead to an increase in pay and learned that if I put forth some effort and show a willingness and want to learn that I could progress and make more. Gf gets pregnant again and 3 months after birth my gf is killed in a car accident. Now two children to provide for. Thankfully I have amazing family that was and still is there helping today. So I find another gf and try to move on. She gets knocked up now 3 kids. I go to work at a different mill making more than double mw now. Life happens and I got knocked down again relationship fails lose the job but with 3 kids to take care of I kept fighting and mw wouldn't cover it so I do what I can to make ends meet doing construction and working on cars. I end up getting hired back at the second mill after two years since they let me go. Finally on to my next gf who also gets pregnant so now I'm at 4 kids and 3 baby moms all the while not receiving government help though there was a short time around 2009 we worked 3 days a week and my ex was making me pay almost $500 in child support a month so I got ebt for just a couple months so I could afford to feed my other kids. I should note that wen I started back with this company in 2008 I had to start from the bottom. Since then I've busted my ass and after 3 years of hard work I caught a break and they gave me on operators position. That was at a time when they were restructuring the crew and operations and 11 people lost their jobs yet I essentially was promoted. Now with the experience gained there I am moving into Union heavy equipment operating. My success is attributed to the fact that I have some solid family standing by me to help out when needed but most importantly a desire to succeed in life and work. In my current situation I support all 4 of my children. I have my own house and my own vehicle. A little extra left over to play with toy trucks and if I get some overtime then I can eat out once in awhile. So life really is about choices because I could just as easily say screw it and quit my job to be a bum and live off the government possibly even have a better quality of life than I do now. I simply choose working for what I have.
 
scalemadness said:
Ok well would you hire the guy dealt a crappy hand trying to get back on his feet? Thats the problem you don't have a home a car so your not getting hired your looked at as a problem but everyone else who sees a person that way is the problem no one can say that person isn't trying or willing to try its almost impossible because that I'm better than you person keeps kicking them back down because they don't think they are good enough or its their choice to be in that position which is not always true if you think about it would you want some kind of assistance if you were in their place put your pride aside everyone needs a hand at some time in life
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We have 3 guys on work release from prison working for us right now on the farm. Some of our best employees have felony convictions and a decade or more in the pen in their past. Yea, we help people out. :lol:
 
Duuuuuuuude said:
A. I'm sensing a pattern there.
B. I think you say "screw it" just a bit too easily already.
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I got a vasectomy two years ago. Now it's just for fun! For me it was in the excitement similar to Russian roulette. You know what though as tough as it can be at times, everything I have gone through has made me who I am. Keeping an open mind and taking in information from all around helps tremendously as well.
 
Duuuuuuuude said:
A. I'm sensing a pattern there.
B. I think you say "screw it" just a bit too easily already.
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That sounds about par for the course for your responses. As lighthearted as you may be trying to be, you have no worthwhile response to make when a real life situation is presented to you that is proof your views are flawed.
 
yotapower07 said:
My success is attributed to the fact that I have some solid family standing by me to help out when needed but most importantly a desire to succeed in life and work.
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Good job on not throwing in the towel and working hard... that's what men should do. I can't even imagine how rough it must have been on you and the kids to lose a young partner in that manor...

But let me ask you, how would've things turned out without the help of your family?
I am not dismissing you're determination (that's what it takes) but in your own words you see how important a helping community is... people to depend on for even simple things like child care can make or break someone.
 
The help of my family has given me the freedom to make choices right and wrong. After the death I lost it for a while. A lot of drinking and late nights trying to suppress feelings. For me it was a double edge sword. Having people to take the kids while I was in that state was somewhat enabling as well as making sure my kids were taken care of during that time. Now I am not the type to just leave my children where ever just to go party so I can't really say what things would be like now if I didn't have that help. I can say that I will always find a way to make sure my children always have the things they need in life.
 
RANOVRU said:
That sounds about par for the course for your responses. As lighthearted as you may be trying to be, you have no worthwhile response to make when a real life situation is presented to you that is proof your views are flawed.
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Long day, don't feel up to a full on discussion, so yeah, it was a bit of humor.

My "view" is that some make it, some don't. Some try harder than others, some don't, but there is no guarantee that you'll be a success. There are people who don't do squat and achieve great success, just as there are people who work themselves to death and never achieve anything. Luck plays it's part and life is not painted in broad strokes.

edit: And as Johnny mentioned, things might have gone a different way had his family not been there for him, or he had no family to turn to in the first place.

I don't have much in this world outside of my family, but I work hard for what I have and I'm thankful I have it. I also don't discredit the occasional luck of being in the right place at the right time. A little shove either way and my life would have been a very different thing...
 
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What is success and how is that even defined? Personally I would consider this thread to be successful since it has brought us together in discussions about different topics and different views which all of us get to take something out of it.
 
I'm not dead, I've got a good family, and I'm fairly happy, so I consider that a success. "thumbsup"
 
johnnyh66 said:
I'm that story... except for the exceptional athlete part. :mrgreen:

But the stars don't align for everyone and many really want it and don't make it. We made it, let's help those who want it.
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That's awesome to hear, kudos to you.

I know that's an incredibly rare case I used, but it was more to the point of his determination not to be apart of what he saw. I dont doubt there are those who have tried, many times, I'm sure that just can't catch a break & get out of Dodge, but that's where a rock solid will & determination is needed.
 
Duuuuuuuude said:
Long day, don't feel up to a full on discussion, so yeah, it was a bit of humor.

My "view" is that some make it, some don't. Some try harder than others, some don't, but there is no guarantee that you'll be a success. There are people who don't do squat and achieve great success, just as there are people who work themselves to death and never achieve anything. Luck plays it's part and life is not painted in broad strokes.

edit: And as Johnny mentioned, things might have gone a different way had his family not been there for him, or he had no family to turn to in the first place.

I don't have much in this world outside of my family, but I work hard for what I have and I'm thankful I have it. I also don't discredit the occasional luck of being in the right place at the right time. A little shove either way and my life would have been a very different thing...
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Now it boils down to 'luck'. That's those straws I was talking about.

You sound like you work hard yourself. I just don't comprehend you wanting folks who don't work as hard as you do to have what you have, much less caring whether or not they do.

I've said many times over that I'm not a fan of capitalism but it's the world we live in here in the US and it's sure as hell not going to change. So to keep things fair I'm not for handouts. I'm also not a fan idle hands, which kind of coincides with the mindset of capitalism. I work hard for what I have so everyone else should too. You want better than go get it, don't wait/hope for someone else to change your circumstances.


Long day here too. Hopefully by morning something will have gotten a bite on that last line....
 
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