Nascar goes Racing in the Rain...

[freetimecrawler]

Haha I'd like to see anyone of you internet "tough guys" handle one of those cars for 3-4 hours on dry pavement. Let alone in the rain.
The worst Nascar driver would blow the doors off anyone of the bigmouths calling them sissies. I would be willing to bet, anyone of you "big internet tough guys" calling them a sissie would barely be able to walk after 3-4 hours driving a Nascar car. Call them what you want, think it's boring if you want, remember, opinions are like assholes, everybodys got One. But calling them sissies is a little overboard. 99.9% of the drivers are on workout programs, and are in far better physical shape then most of the "internet tough guys" on this forum. Most of which would be so physically exuasted after 3-4 hours in a Nascar, they'ed need help out of the car, and would be sore for days.

P.S. If it takes so "little talent" to turn a "car left or right"
How come the F1 or Indy drivers don't dominate in Nascar when they run in Nascar? Even when they drive the Nascar road course races?

 

[TerribleOne]

I too was happy they decided to run in the rain, however running on tires that are 7 years old is a joke. Then after what happend at indy, goodyear needs to get there shit together.


Btw I missed Robby up there in Montreal.

 

[whoodie]

Haha I'd like to see anyone of you internet "tough guys" handle one of those cars for 3-4 hours on dry pavement. Let alone in the rain.
The worst Nascar driver would blow the doors off anyone of the bigmouths calling them sissies. I would be willing to bet, anyone calling them a sissie would barely be able to walk after 3-4 hours driving a Nascar car. Call them what you want, think it's boring if you want, remember, opinions are like assholes, everybodys got One. But calling them sissies is a little overboard. 99.9% of the drivers are on workout programs, and are in far better physical shape then most of the "internet tough guys" on this forum. Most of which would be so physically exuasted after 3-4 hours in a Nascar, they'ed need help out of the car, and would be sore for days.

P.S. If it takes so little talent to turn a "car left or right"
How come the F1 or Indy drivers don't dominate in Nascar when they run in Nascar?

I think that you are missing the scope of this discussion. My comments earlier were directed at how the technology and driving talent of NASCAR is far behind that of road racing.

Wether I could personally drive a NASCAR for 3-4 to hours in circles is of no consequence. However I am convinced that if I dedicated my entire life to driving NASCAR I could compete with them. I have spent numerous hours driving am open wheel, single seater with a full aero package. Heck I bet if the NASCAR guys picked up a radio and tried to drive an R/C car around a track they would suck big time. It all has to do with what you trained for.

Juan Pablo is not that great of a driver in my opinion. He was pretty bad when he was in F1. He was neither the greatest, nor the worst. Now is he better than me at driving a full size racecar, absolutely.

There are some drivers in various racing disciplines that have a natural talent. Most of those guys compete in other forms of racing other than their "bread and butter" ride.

It is a simple fact the the NASCAR "car of tomorrow" is still decades behind in technology compared to the other cars in motorsports. Yes there does exist a level of engineering there, but other cars are more technologically advance.

I really do not see why NASCAR is so popular. I suppose it is a traditional "american" sport where all the spectators want to do is sit in one spot and have the event come to them. Go watch a WRC event my friends.

If you remember the F1 race at indy a few years ago there were tire troubles then. Every once in a while a tire manufacturer does get it wrong. It is unfortunate that the fans are real quick to point the finger when one thing goes wrong. Even after years of untarnished success.

 

[JasonInAugusta]

NASCAR is booring because they drive in circles all day long. Sure it takes a driver of reasonable talent and medeocre brain power to keep it out of the wall, but I do not hold a NASCAR driver in the same light as I would a formula one driver.

Riddle me this...

Who's car is this and from what year?

I'll give you a hint:

He was the 1991 USAC Rookie of the Year, the 1996 IRL Rookie of the Year, and the 1999 Sprint Cup Rookie of the Year.

He's a member of the National Midget Auto Racing Hall of Fame.

He's the 1987 World Karting Association Champion

He's the 1995 USAC Triple Crown Champion

He's the 1997 IRL Champion

He's the 2006 IROC XXX Champion

He's the 2002 and 2005 Sprint Cup Champion, but that's nothing 'cause he's barely got two brain cells to rub together now that he's in NASCAR. :roll:

 

[freetimecrawler]

Have you ever looked at the cut-a-ways of the "COT"?
Not that I'm a fan of it, I'm old school Nascar, and personally watch very little of any professional sports. ( all over paid whiners IMO) but thats a different subject all together :roll:
Sure Nascar's COT could be even more advanced, but are we trying to take the fun out of driving. Is it not advanced enough because it doesn't have wipers, headlights, cruise control, GPS?
Honestly, I don't think it takes that much more talent to drive a car that sticks to the road, and are as aerodynamic as an F1/Indy, sure as hell not saying its easy. But......
I think (IMO of course) that a tallented driver like Jeff Gordon, (I'm not a Gordon or Chevy fan) Could do very well in Indy/F1 with some practice, and wheel time. But I'm sure he stays in Nascar, because thats where the $ is.
I don't know about any of you guys? (Be honest here)
But personally, I wouldn't want to add any more risk, to an already dangerous way to make a living, then I had to.
And as a fan, I would rather not sit in the pouring rain to watch a race.
Oh, my bad, I forgot, most are armchair fans watching on cable tv.


JIA Must be "Smoke" Stewart?

 

[whoodie]

Riddle me this...

Tony Stewart.

I've got one for you. Who is Mario Andretti?

 

[JasonInAugusta]

Tony Stewart.

I've got one for you. Who is Mario Andretti?

A NASCAR race winner. :lol:

So is Juan Pablo. "thumbsup"

So your question only makes your original comment seem that much more absurd.

Congratulations on contradicting yourself. :lol:

 

[whoodie]

Has Tony Stewart ever won a Formula One world championship?

You have taken some of my comments out of text.

I said earlier, "it takes a driver of reasonable talent and medeocre brain power to keep it out of the wall."

No where in that phrase did it say anything about winning. No single driver can win a race. It takes a team of wrench turners, engineers, sponsors, business people.....

You will never be able to convince me that NASCAR has more technically advanced racecars, racetracks or better drivers than Formula one, ALMS, WRC, F3000...

I was at LG Motorsports a while ago, his Corvette track car has more technology than NASCAR. To me, with respect to technology, NASCAR fails.

If you like it great. But much like religion, do not force it one me or try to convince me it is better.

 

[jetboat]

the popularity of Nascar is related straight back to your short track fri/sat night racing. The reason people like it is pretty simple, they can imagine themselves driving the car. All Nascar is, is the evolution of those Fri/Sat night short tracks. Thats why technology is kept out of date... its not because they are rednecks or hillbillies or idiots... Have you ever looked at the qualifications a nascar engine specialist has???? They did discuss going to FI a couple years back when they first started looking at the "COT" but, they said they wanted the sport to stay closer to what the home town racers drive. Why do Rock crawlers run those out of date Solid axles???? Because they work! I guess when it comes to technology you are forgetting what goes into designing a cage that can hit a wall at 200mph and have the driver walk away.

 

[JasonInAugusta]

Andretti competed in Formula One for 14 years and had one championship in Formula One.

From 1987 to 2005 Stewart earned six Championships in mulitiple forms of racing.

...and I'm still saying that your blanket statement about NASCAR drivers is absurd.

 

[binaryterror]

Riddle me this...

Who's car is this and from what year?

Thats pretty easy, but thats no F1 car. He'd have very limited luck in Open Wheel racing with his history or "rubbin' is racing" style.

Is it not advanced enough because it doesn't have wipers, headlights, cruise control, GPS?
Honestly, I don't think it takes that much more talent to drive a car that sticks to the road, and are as aerodynamic as an F1/Indy, sure as hell not saying its easy.
I think (IMO of course) that a tallented driver like Jeff Gordon, (I'm not a Gordon or Chevy fan) Could do very well in Indy/F1 with some practice, and wheel time. But I'm sure he stays in Nascar, because thats where the $ is.

I believe where NASCAR gets so much flack is their own name. National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing pretty much lays the word STOCK right out in the open. Again which stock Fusion has RWD and comes with a carb or even a V8 engine? Which V8 even offered what is being run in these "stock" cars in the past decade?

I mean why don't NASCAR left turn guys try to run F1? Well its simple the world event known as F1 racing wouldn't EVER support them. Sadly the world looks down on NASCAR for the reasons they themselves have pigeon-holed them. Stock Car racing would be more like Le Mans series racing to a global market or even SCCA rules are more stock class.

 

[JasonInAugusta]

Which V8 even offered what is being run in these "stock" cars in the past decade?

When has Toyota ever produced a V8 Camry? :lol:

 

[jetboat]

Which V8 even offered what is being run in these "stock" cars in the past decade?

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Chevys Cup series motor is the same as their production car block (corvette, new camero)

 

[Robb]

WOW!!

Mountain out of a mole hill!!

It is a simple sport (yea I said it) packed with history and tradition. It has no interest in the world stage, it has no interest in modern features like wipers, headlights, and radios. It is good ol' boys getting together and racing around a track.

And most importantly, it is a American fan's sport! Most of us can find a driver from our home state, or close by, and we can support our local guy. It is about tailgating pre-race with friends, brats, and beer........then watching a great race. Most tracks are setup so that a fan can see, at least, 3/4 of the track at all times, and follow their driver all the way. And yes, it is about the "rubbing is racing," which is fun to watch............and in which the COT is allowing more of safely, and this will only grow as the drivers get more used to the cars.

It is just fun! No reason for long debates! Heck, let's start an American Football vs World Football argument while we're at it.



Next, people will be wanting wipers (and windshields) on crawling buggies!

 

[binaryterror]

Chevys Cup series motor is the same as their production car block (corvette, new camero)

Prove that. Sadly more of the technology learned in the C6R program on the LS racing engines was used than anything learned in NASCAR generation engines. The only similarities are the uniquely LS head port ideas.

Chevy uses the R07 block which is cast iron in the Nascar cup series.

The new Camaro and Corvette are LS based aluminum block engines with cast iron sleeves.

 

[TIMZKRAWLER]

Thats pretty easy, but thats no F1 car. He'd have very limited luck in Open Wheel racing with his history or "rubbin' is racing" style.


...i certainly hope your not talking about Tony Stewart in this comment....excluding F1...he's had tremendous success in open wheel racing...he's by far one of the most successful open wheel racers in history,both on dirt and pavement from usac midgets all the way to indy cars

...as far as Formula 1 goes ...a monkey could drive those cars fast ...technology makes them fast ...computers make them fast ......engineers make them fast ...the drivers aren't making them fast....hell ,engineers are making adjustments via computer to fuel management,engine performance,and even adjusting suspension and handling characteristics via computers during the race from the pits,until this year they even had computers adjusting there traction(traction control)....when Jeff Gordon done testing with Montoya's F1 car at Indy a few years back he was turning just about the same lap times as the F1 drivers his first time in a F1 car ...at least in NASCAR the drivers are actually "driving " the cars

 

[Rockpiledriver]

Anyone see the deal a few years ago when Jeff Gordon and some F1 driver (Montoya perhaps) traded cars? Anyone remember the outcome? :lol:

 

[Stormin2u]

Anyone see the deal a few years ago when Jeff Gordon and some F1 driver (Montoya perhaps) traded cars? Anyone remember the outcome? :lol:

Yeah I saw it and thought it was interesting. Jeff Gordon was really bubbling over after is ride in the McLaren F1 car if that's what your referring to?

 

[Rockpiledriver]

Yeah I saw it and thought it was interesting. Jeff Gordon was really bubbling over after is ride in the McLaren F1 car if that's what your referring to?

Yup, but who cares how he felt about it.

The fact is, Gordon jumped in that car and ran only 1 second slower than Montoya's fastest lap all weekend. THE FIRST TIME IN THE CAR! If I am not mistaken that was good enough to qualify him for the US GP had it been an official time.

Not bad for a no-talent Nascar guy.

 

[Mr.Slave]

rally drivers lay down the pwnage on any other motorsport drivers out there anyways..