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Nascar goes Racing in the Rain...

thats exactly my point...if a supposedly" inferior " nascar driver can drive a F1 car as fast as a ...supposedly "superior" F1 driver as some on here is saying...then any race car driver can make a F1 car go fast(because of the technology )...but put that same F1 driver in a nascar and watch them try to go fast....

First, a "monkey" is not a racecar driver.

Second, cup cars, or "cars of tomorrow" are hardly what I would describe as nimble. If you want to see a V8 sedan hustle around a racetrack check out the V8 supercar series in Australia.

Third, if you think that the technology in F1 is what makes any driver fast you are mistaken. I imagine that sustaining 3+ lateral g's is pretty difficult. Do you realize that at Suzuka some cars have recorded up to 6 lateral g's! That is 60% of what a fighter pilot can momentarily sustain.

Any car is easy to drive. Nothing is easy to drive fast. JG was within 1 second of the pole time at Indy, c'mon, I'll give him a little credit but in the racing world 1 second is quite a bit of time.

Anyway this thread is going in so many directions, like what you like, know what you know, and enjoy what you want, Formula 1 is the pinnacle of motorsports.
 
my main gripe with nascar is that prior to this weekend's nationwide race, they had never run a points race in the wet. a few drops of water on their windshields and the yellow or red flag flies. now my main gripe is that nascar has strict enough rules that on certain circuits, they HAVE to run a coil-bind setup to go fast turn left in anything approaching a quick manner, at least compared to the other cars in the field. also, on the rare occasion that they prove that they can turn right and left by going to a road course, they run a much less complex version of the course. seriously, the racing would be much more entertaining at laguna seca if they would run the sports car course. as for watkins glen, if I'm right they run what used to be the '60s USGP layout (not sure if they go into the boot or not for nascar), which I really don't have any problem with, since if I'm right about the layout it has been graced by much quicker cars driven by much braver drivers (remember, in the late '60s F1 cars, your seat was a precisely shaped dent in the fuel cell, and you didn't have seatbelts. in most cases, unless you were a midget graced with exceptionally long legs in proportion to the rest of your body, your head was the highest point on the car, so if you flip over your helmet is now the skidplate. drivers who suited up to race F1 back in the day honestly didn't know if they would come back alive. that takes more balls than is required by just about any modern form of racing, imho. most drivers now would have flat-out refused to race '60s F1 cars under those conditions), but that's one circuit. I have heard nascar commercials refer to their drivers as the best in the world, or something to that effect, yet 95% of their season consists of turning left, and the only two road courses they run are dumbed down versions of the layout used by real roadrace cars. they go to daytona twice. well, daytona has one of the most famous roadcourses on the world stage, because the daytona infield road course plays host to the daytona 24h. if they ran on more than just ovals and dumbed down versions of real road courses, they could attract a much larger fan base. they could take some pointers from other forms of motorsport as to how to lower the CG of their cars, keep them safe, and make them more road-course friendly. look at the australian V8 Supercar series. they are rear solid axle, IFS cars that share the bodies of road cars, but not much else other than the body. Australia's version of nascar, if you will. and their cars positively FLY around road courses compared to the latest garden variety stock car, and that's with keeping all 4 wheels on the ground. lifting wheels is for older porsche 911s, off road cars, dirt oval machines, and old Lotus/Ford Cortinas, not "modern" cars in the premier form of racing in one of the largest countries in the world. and fer god sakes let them have more freedom with the setup
 
No top level motor sport is easy. Non. They are all god damned hard as hell, and sometimes even harder than that. Stop with all the 'F1 has this and that' and 'NASCAR is all left turns' crap. They are both physically and mentally exhausting, take immense amounts of skill to perform, and both go very, VERY wrong if you even blink at the wrong moment.

I used to be big into NASCAR back in the days of Big E, but I lost interest. I'd never ever call NASCAR for being too easy, damn it, it's one of the most grueling and demanding motor sports on earth. I just think it doesn't offer the kind of crowd spectacle it used to.

Like I said before, I watch motorcycle racing for the most part, maybe a few F1 races (it's actually almost interesting these days, it's quite astounding!!), and usually the LeMans 24 hours. I'm used to watching people defying death (if you think that's too strong, try watching a bike road race sometime) in wet conditions.

It's interesting, and refreshing that NASCAR has finally started to run races in the wet, I always wondered how driving something that's akin to a high tech bar of soap (that was Ned Jarrett's description, not mine :P) would work in wet weather. How many people wrecked during the race, just out of interest?
 
Whoodi, i agree, this thread has taken a whole new direction...LOL...comparing the two (nascar and F1) is like comparing apples and oranges...there two completely different realms of racing...it's like the ol "chevy vs. ford" argument...it could go on forever...LOL
 
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BrandO, what part of the shop/crew are you in? No matter where I bet is a demanding job as perfection is a must.

Right now I am a fabricator in the main fab shop doing finish fab. I worked for Evernham for 2 years then quit last July. Was a Car chief in the Nationwide series at the beginning of this year. Then Evernham made me an offer to come back to work for them. Was something I could not refuse. I miss being on the road. But with a little time that may change. I have talked a little about going on the road for Evernham. No idea at what capacity that would be.

I help a buddy that works at Evernham with his late model. And am also a part time crew chief for a ASA late model team. So I still get my fix. I am a track rat at heart.:lol:

Demanding, YES. I have to be at work at 4:00am tomorrow morning. To fix a fellow co-workers mistake. So a car can be ready for final setup for Watkins Glen.
 
Cool, I hope I did not offend him earlier. I don't have a clue what that stuff costs. I was just poking this thread with a pointy stick. Got all the respect in the world for these guy and girls on these TEAMS. I imagine the pressure is hard at times.
 
Whoodi, i agree, this thread has taken a whole new direction...LOL...comparing the two (nascar and F1) is like comparing apples and oranges...there two completely different realms of racing...it's like the ol "chevy vs. ford" argument...it could go on forever...LOL

Funny how that happens. You are right, same as the Ford/Chevy debate. Could go on forever. Best form of racing in my Opinion is Traxxas Slash. I have people working on securing the Gold Bond sponsorship for my team. :-P
 
yeah, racing the slash was some of the funnest racing I've ever done in RC, short of racing my RS4 Rally (in rally trim, apart from the belted X-pattern radials in Pro compound. long shocks and soft suspension and all) in touring class and laying the law down on more than a few purpose built and setup TCs. and this was racing it against traditional stadium trucks, one of them being a Jato 3.3, which finshed behind me due to being the co-star of more than a few traffic jams. anyway, wish the drivers and crews good luck if you get the chance!
 
rally drivers lay down the pwnage on any other motorsport drivers out there anyways..

I'd still like to see them try that in a late depression era-post Vietnam era domestic loaded down with E100 and a Department of Revinue agent on their tails"thumbsup"
 
No top level motor sport is easy. Non. They are all god damned hard as hell, and sometimes even harder than that. Stop with all the 'F1 has this and that' and 'NASCAR is all left turns' crap. They are both physically and mentally exhausting, take immense amounts of skill to perform, and both go very, VERY wrong if you even blink at the wrong moment.

Thread winner. "thumbsup"
 
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