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Official Reveiw,,,Pit Bulls "Rock Beast" 2.2 Prototype

no,,ive only had the spirit fingers form on the lugs,,,nothing on the body,,im still runnin my early prototypes on my comp rig as well,,

the scaler has the new ones,,an they are still all together,,

obviously you have this happening,,do you have pics???
 
So usually when a new tire comes out with this much anticipation, there are five or six threads in this section where people are giving their own personal reviews of the tire with videos and foam reccommendations etc.

Wheres all the tire talk about these? I was hoping to see a lot more from the general public after they became available.
 
Harvo said:
So usually when a new tire comes out with this much anticipation, there are five or six threads in this section where people are giving their own personal reviews of the tire with videos and foam reccommendations etc.

Wheres all the tire talk about these? I was hoping to see a lot more from the general public after they became available.
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I have no idea how to answer your question. I don't have any control over what people do or don't do. Our tires were on the vehicles that came in 1st and 2nd overall at Scale Nationals in Montana. As I understand it, and I have not confirmed yet...top guys were running them at the Axial event this past weekend. Like most things we do...we come out with something that isn't conventional and some people have preconceived notions of what will work or not based on previous products by other companies. It takes time for their notions to melt away as they see our tires work. Our tires are a little wider than what a lot of guys think they want. But they work better and weigh less than most of what is out there...and I say most and not all because no one tire works perfectly for all conditions and uses. It takes some time for guys to figure out how to make them work. We have a lot of people who have figured it out and posted on the forum. Not sure how many threads it will take to convince people...but there is enough information out there right now I think.

We're patient people here at Pit Bull...we've been through this sort of thing before...in fact, every time we launch a product we go through this.
 
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THEPITBULL said:
It takes some time for guys to figure out how to make them work.

We're patient people here at Pit Bull...we've been through this sort of thing before...in fact, every time we launch a product we go through this.
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I got to see first hand several of these sets of tires at our last local comp. I wasn't impressed, BUT!!!

1. Like said above, I don't believe any of the people had good foam setups.
2. Because of the foam setups, the tires were just to soft.
3. On the terrain we were running, they were just to sticky, and when trying to spin tires, you couldn't, Digging front, or burning rear was next to impossible.
4. Again due to the foams, and people just not being used to them, they were sticking the tires in every little crack or crevice, and binding the tire up untill they had to take a reposition.

I think these tires would be great on smooth river rock from my initial views.

I'll stick with my tires till the foams get figured out for these tires, then I may change my mind.

Add in: we crawl on "riprap" being large chunks of rock.
 
I crawl in riprap and use nova foams and 1 inch wide delrin wheels on my axial and love the pit bulls. They seem to be performing better as they break in. I was a rover person, but I do not use anything but my bulls now. If you watch your tire placement the width keeps me out of holes and will grab and hook little edges on the rip rap to hold a line.
 
Nova's Ark said:
I have two sets of the production Pit Bull Rock Beast tires and they are tearing at the lug wear it meets with the tire carcass.
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please post pics,,,
Harvo said:
So usually when a new tire comes out with this much anticipation, there are five or six threads in this section where people are giving their own personal reviews of the tire with videos and foam reccommendations etc.

Wheres all the tire talk about these? I was hoping to see a lot more from the general public after they became available.
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there have been a hand full of guys who have posted pics and videos,and what they are doing as far as foam and rim choices to get these things to work,,,ive had them on all sorts of rock types and have had very good results,,,
im surprised that there has been such a lack of respect to these tires,,they have prooven that they work,,1st and 2nd place at the scale nats is proof to me that they work...plus my own results proove to me they work,,
what happened to the test and tune from when i first got into this sport/hobby...no one had the right recipe for what worked for them,it took time and testing,,and tuning,,and testing again,,,it seems like today every one wants the golden ticket to have a winning set up with out working for it...these tires work,,ive seen em work,,on my rig as well as others...
 
JesterSpec said:
I got to see first hand several of these sets of tires at our last local comp. I wasn't impressed, BUT!!!

1. Like said above, I don't believe any of the people had good foam setups.

I'm not sure about the others who were running them, but that was part of the problem with my Bully and Greg's Berg. They both have 2 stage Novas foams in them, and at the comp, they were full size. I have since cut them to taper in at the wheel. Another problem was that we were both running too much weight in the front wheels for the terrain. Greg's was also the very first run with the new crawler, and I had screwed up and had my font links in the wrong position on the chassis. All factors added up to not alot of success, but it wasn't necessarily the tires fault.

2. Because of the foam setups, the tires were just to soft.

I think I have the foam situation figured out now. I used to run Panther Cougars, so I actually like a soft setup for climbing. The key is to get them to sidehill, and that wasn't the problem. Falling into gaps was the issue, and that can be attributed to running too much front weight for the terrain.

3. On the terrain we were running, they were just to sticky, and when trying to spin tires, you couldn't, Digging front, or burning rear was next to impossible.

I didn't see anybody else run, but I had no problems with digs. If anything, I thought that front and rear burns more easily than I could before. The rears held the rock far better for front digs than the white Rovers that I used previously. I use short blips of throttle, though, for digs. On high traction rock, slow, low throttle digs/burns result in only limited success...especially with a sticky tire.

4. Again due to the foams, and people just not being used to them, they were sticking the tires in every little crack or crevice, and binding the tire up untill they had to take a reposition.

As above, it's not just the foams. Alot of it is driving style and approach. It really comes down to driving time. My biggest problem was with a change that I'd made to my suspension setup. (I built new top links, and when swapping out the fronts, I mistakenly moved them up a row of holes, causing my truck to not climb at all...I didn't figure it out until I looked at some older pictures and noticed my mistake.)

I think these tires would be great on smooth river rock from my initial views.

I'll stick with my tires till the foams get figured out for these tires, then I may change my mind.

Add in: we crawl on "riprap" being large chunks of rock.
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If I were you, I'd be hesitant to change tires either. You're doing really well with the setup that you have.
 
i havent tore any of the lugs off just noticing that they are tearing. ill try and post some pics up soon showing where they are ripping at. it is only the front tires. probably due to all the digging and what not. i have tried novas 55dd on 1in wheels and 1.25in wheels and it didnt seem to hook quite as well as my proline 2 stage memory foam did. i love the novas in the rear though so they are staying. i have also tried proline oversized memory foam in all 4 tires. didnt like it so i swapped out with novas in rear and oversized mem up front. front was too soft then switched to pl 2 stage up front and my overall stability of the rig was much improved over the oversized memory foams. so my current foam setup is proline 2 stage memory up front and novas 55 dd in back. seems to work extremely well for me. i have also changed how much weight i have in the fronts and think i have found a happy place for me. i am running them on eritex 1.25 in wheels and my fronts weigh in at 12oz and rears are 8oz. thats mounted and ready to go weight. i love these on slick rock. the only place i like my rovers a little better is when the courses are setup extremely tight as in lots of boundries with gates entering and exiting. my rock beast make my rig about 1/2 inch wider than my rover setup. mostly love the tires and cant believe how well they hook.
 
dezmoon said:
what happened to the test and tune from when i first got into this sport/hobby...no one had the right recipe for what worked for them,it took time and testing,,and tuning,,and testing again,,,it seems like today every one wants the golden ticket to have a winning set up with out working for it...these tires work,,ive seen em work,,on my rig as well as others...
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Yes... I think that Pitbull misunderstood me. I have been on the forum a little while and every since Panther came out with Cougars, every new tire out has had threads about "what is the best set up" or "Here is what works for me with video"... etc.

Dez... what you said is what I'm surprised I haven't seen. Threads about people tuning and experimenting with these tires. (well... now all of a sudden there are about 5 threads on it :mrgreen:).

Your initial thread was very informative. It provided tons of info. I know a bunch of people bought these tires and I just thought by now we would have heard from a bunch of them. That's all "thumbsup"
 
How do the pit bulls work in LOOSE DIRT or MUD? I have lots of hill climbs here and its either loose dirt with rocks or its mud and rocks
Do they clean out in the mud or get clogged up?
 
Harvo said:
Yes... I think that Pitbull misunderstood me. I have been on the forum a little while and every since Panther came out with Cougars, every new tire out has had threads about "what is the best set up" or "Here is what works for me with video"... etc.

Dez... what you said is what I'm surprised I haven't seen. Threads about people tuning and experimenting with these tires. (well... now all of a sudden there are about 5 threads on it :mrgreen:).

Your initial thread was very informative. It provided tons of info. I know a bunch of people bought these tires and I just thought by now we would have heard from a bunch of them. That's all "thumbsup"
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I'm glad you brought it up. For every action there is a reaction. In this case, you will hopefully have more information to go by concerning our tires. Thanks for bringing it up."thumbsup"
 
bonks said:
How do the pit bulls work in LOOSE DIRT or MUD? I have lots of hill climbs here and its either loose dirt with rocks or its mud and rocks
Do they clean out in the mud or get clogged up?
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They work very well in mud and loose dirt, as far as cleaning out in the mud, how much wheelspeed do you have? Just about any scale tire won't clean out if you're running a 55t and 8 volts. My Bronco has a 7t puller with a 3-cell lipo and it's pretty fast. These tires also are the best performing tires in the wet that I've used. I'm still working out the foam issues, but the rig weighs 12 lbs. so it's special.....
 
ok, you're the second one to say they do well in the soft stuff. Think I'll do an order today while the discount thingy is still going. (I think)

Thanks for the input. Will try for a mud, dirt, and snow trial video if I have time.
 
i am running them on a 1.4" wide wheel with homemade(green) foams. height of a rok lox, width of a rover foam, rounded edge. they have been performing very well for me on my scaler in a variety of terrain. they definitely excel when wet. i also think a 1" wide wheel is way too narrow for this tire.


i have not experienced any tearing....but i do have a set of rovers they exhibit the same tearing at the carcass that you're talking about. i've never run dig either.

tire reviews are the one thing i dont put a lot of stock in. too many variables. if i have to have other opinions i start off with people in my area. but usually if i want to know how something works, i just buy it and try it.
 
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