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Questions for Gun Control Advocates

I would rather a woman have 100 abortions in lieu of having more welfare babies.

I think is a woman wants to be spayed, it should be free. Same with a man. Hell I might even get in on it if there was no copay. I am done with kids.

I would rather see it mandatory that every person on welfare gets birth control. But that's communism...

Still should have a co pay, then they would just be medicine.

If it prevents people from getting knocked up, and in turn reducing the number of abortions and all the other social and financial strains, I'm all for it and gladly pay my share.
 
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It pisses me off when I see people abusing the government assistance programs but what pisses me off even more than that is the frivolous government spending of my hard earned money!!!

As for gun control? I enjoy guns and I enjoy share my the experience of shooting with my friends and family. I've rarely concealed carried in the past but it's going to be a daily thing for me now. Why? Because I don't want to be helpless in the event something should happen. Am I out looking for reasons to kill bad guys **** no. I hope I never ever find myself in that position and it really irritates me with the way society is here in America. I should not have to wear a gun out in public to feel a sense of safety. I look back 20 years ago when I was my children's age and I could go anywhere in my town with out adult supervision and no one was ever in any real danger. Nowadays I'm not even comfortable letting my kids play outside the house by themselves.
 
That's so true. Went all over the place as kids without much worry, back by dark with no cell phones or way of contact. I live in a decent neighborhood and I rarely and I mean rarely let mine play in the front yard or around the area without my wife or myself within site. That sux, feel like the helicopter parents you hear of alway over protectingly hovering over them. Better safe than sorry thoug, only takes a few seconds out of site, then it's too late. Lived on the other side of town 10 years ago, another nice area....so I thought until we had our first child. Looked on line for the hell of it and discovered 40 convicted pedifiles listed in that area. Shocking thing was it wasn't that high of a population number or large area for there to be 40, or so we thought. Funny how there tends to be a higher number near schools and public parks. I guess they located just past their legally set boundaries. We moved. Pedifiles should have some of the strictest sentences I belive, something they will never be cured of or have it 'incarcerated' out of them. Shock therapy and castration would be a nice addition to their sentences.
 
From middle school through high school I walked the 1.5-2 miles to and from school. Not because I had to but because a few pals from around the block and I wanted to. Riding the cheesy was so lame, and it gave us a sense of independence.

Not once in 7yrs did any of us have a problem with robbers, kidnappers, pedifiles or terrorists.


Nowadays we've be labeled as 'free range' kids.
 
This being a gun related thread I am curious how you all feel about open carry? Yes I understand that it may not be legal in all areas but there are some states where it is ok. Mine being one of them
 
This being a gun related thread I am curious how you all feel about open carry? Yes I understand that it may not be legal in all areas but there are some states where it is ok. Mine being one of them

Hand guns are fine. Walking around with a rifle just because you can is idiotic.
 
We'll start with this. Whenever a gun discussion, this always comes up. I don't understand why people seem to think that those wanting to keep their guns are some paranoid cowards who undoubtedly have to have a gun on their person to feel safe. It's called being prepared. I'm no hiker, but I'd imagine that most take extra food/water along, ya know...just in case. Which is the exact same reason why people carry, just in case. That concert hall in Paris-100's of patrons, 2 shooters. Perfect example of where just in case would've saved lives. San Bernardino, same case.

While the difference is vastly different, at it's core, it applies, to me. Gay marriage. I can't recall how many times I heard/read/saw people shouting to all who would listen, "it's our(their) right!" and people applaud them for standing up for & demanding rights afforded to them. Why should it be any different to us who want to carry our guns?

As for loophole-whether or not it's real- I don't know, as I've never been to a gun show. IF that is actually happening, then of course it has to stop. But, as mentioned by a few people, private sales are private sales, regardless of they take place at a gun show or someone's living room. So, how do we deal with that?

Mental health. Nobody wants to deal with problems these days. "give them a pill" is today's prognosis. I can't even count the number of pill commercials I see for everything under the sun. Another problem is more often than not, the people who do the shooting go under the radar-nobody knew they were suffering- or they say something, usually 'net wise, and people around them reply, "didn't thnk they were serious". There's that 'see something, say something' rearing it's ugly head. "oh no! I don't want to be seen as a racist or that I fear Muslims!" *facepalm*

I think that's it for now.

Nice attempted analogy, but good attempt I spose:lmao:

Problem with being prepared for hiking and comparing it to caring a gun around, is there would be a better than average chance some one wondering around with a backpack full of food and water with a compass, is they might be half a chance to wonder up a mountain at some stage In the day:mrgreen:

Where as wondering around with a gun on the 'off' chance some one might come and knock you on the head is daft"thumbsup"

I stand by my statement, I would hate to be so fearful of my local shops"thumbsup"

In saying that though, I don't live in the US, and only have our media for info and what we read on forums, but it sounds batshit crazy to fight some sort of gun control the way the NRA does :roll:

No if they brought in laws to make sure only people deemed fit and proper like we have here, the gun problem would not vanish over night BUT maybe your Grandkids would be a little safer down the track;-)
 
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That's so true. Went all over the place as kids without much worry, back by dark with no cell phones or way of contact. I live in a decent neighborhood and I rarely and I mean rarely let mine play in the front yard or around the area without my wife or myself within site. That sux, feel like the helicopter parents you hear of alway over protectingly hovering over them. Better safe than sorry thoug, only takes a few seconds out of site, then it's too late. Lived on the other side of town 10 years ago, another nice area....so I thought until we had our first child. Looked on line for the hell of it and discovered 40 convicted pedifiles listed in that area. Shocking thing was it wasn't that high of a population number or large area for there to be 40, or so we thought. Funny how there tends to be a higher number near schools and public parks. I guess they located just past their legally set boundaries. We moved. Pedifiles should have some of the strictest sentences I belive, something they will never be cured of or have it 'incarcerated' out of them. Shock therapy and castration would be a nice addition to their sentences.

All kinds of like minded people are coming together, thanks to the revolution of information technology. While there is good associated with it, there is bad too.

I believe a persons character cannot be changed and Information technology is just one of the means to shape a young persons character.
 
This being a gun related thread I am curious how you all feel about open carry? Yes I understand that it may not be legal in all areas but there are some states where it is ok. Mine being one of them

While it is likely to cause some minor unwanted attention, I'm all for it. I actually think it could be a good thing for people to see guns in the possession of everyday citizens & nothing bad happens.
Nice attempted analogy, but good attempt I spose:lmao:

Problem with being prepared for hiking and comparing it to caring a gun around, is there would be a better than average chance some one wondering around with a backpack full of food and water with a compass, is they might be half a chance to wonder up a mountain at some stage In the day:mrgreen:

Where as wondering around with a gun on the 'off' chance some one might come and knock you on the head is daft"thumbsup"

I stand by my statement, I would hate to be so fearful of my local shops"thumbsup"

In saying that though, I don't live in the US, and only have our media for info and what we read on forums, but it sounds batshit crazy to fight some sort of gun control the way the NRA does :roll:

No if they brought in laws to make sure only people deemed fit and proper like we have here, the gun problem would not vanish over night BUT maybe your Grandkids would be a little safer down the track;-)

It seems you misunderstood my hiker analogy. I wasn't referring to them bringing extra food & water because theyre going to encounter a mountain, but in case they are caught in a bad situation-lost, stranded, or trapped. Just like if someone is out in public and comes across an active shooter.
 
Here's my proposal. I want it mandatory that before purchasing any type of firearms that person must also forego some type of classroom and hands on training as well as a mental health evaluation then given a license upon completion. This testing should be standardized nation wide. As it stands right now I can go to my local gun shop and purchase basically any firearm I'd like with only one ~5 minute phone call. Then I walk out with gun in hand and no actual proof of knowing how to handle it. Yes I've passed hunters education as well as doing my best to educate myself on all aspects but not everyone does that.
 
20 minutes going through yet another "beating a dead horse" thread that comes up after any major event like we just had.

Yup, pretty much same... Hard left/right cannot see past center or even think of hearing out the other side without throwing standard talking points or name calling.

See it more and more online and off, god forbid that someone have a thought that can span the middle. Have had people and family stop talking to me because I don't fall in lock step hard left/right.

Getting a bit old actually.

friggen country is going to implode in a few years. More and more young adults coming out of their "everyone gets a trophy" childhood into the real world with no way to cope with stress or failing at something. There will be more people start snapping.

guns or no, shit is falling apart.
 
Here's my proposal. I want it mandatory that before purchasing any type of firearms that person must also forego some type of classroom and hands on training as well as a mental health evaluation then given a license upon completion. This testing should be standardized nation wide. As it stands right now I can go to my local gun shop and purchase basically any firearm I'd like with only one ~5 minute phone call. Then I walk out with gun in hand and no actual proof of knowing how to handle it. Yes I've passed hunters education as well as doing my best to educate myself on all aspects but not everyone does that.

That could/would make a difference for some, but I think, on a largess scale that it'd be more of a waste of state/nation money-depending on who pays for it. I mean, a lot of parents in the better half of this country raise their kids with & around guns. So, a 'basic training' class, of sorts doesn't quite seem necessary. But it's certainly not a bad idea to at least seriously look into for some states.

Obtaining a gun in CA, you have to take a written test(for the license to buy) much like getting your drivers permit. I can't remember how many questions were on it, but they were fairly common sense gun questions. When I bought mine, I had very limited experience with guns. I had a couple friends help me out along the way & when I went out shooting for the first time.



Now, I always see people clamping for stricter background checks. I always ask them if they know what parameters the current background check looks into. I never get responded to. To me that sounds like uninformed people, shocking, that don't have a clue of what they talking about. I personally don't know what they look for, but my dad is pretty good friends with CA's representative, so we're trying to see if we can get the info on that. But, I'm not confident that more/stricter checks would uncover anything if someone hasn't done anything, but are planning to, as in this couple.
 
More and more young adults coming out of their "everyone gets a trophy" childhood into the real world with no way to cope with stress or failing at something. There will be more people start snapping.

guns or no, shit is falling apart.

No pain, No gain.
 
Nice attempted analogy, but good attempt I spose:lmao:

Problem with being prepared for hiking and comparing it to caring a gun around, is there would be a better than average chance some one wondering around with a backpack full of food and water with a compass, is they might be half a chance to wonder up a mountain at some stage In the day:mrgreen:

Where as wondering around with a gun on the 'off' chance some one might come and knock you on the head is daft"thumbsup"

I stand by my statement, I would hate to be so fearful of my local shops"thumbsup"

In saying that though, I don't live in the US, and only have our media for info and what we read on forums, but it sounds batshit crazy to fight some sort of gun control the way the NRA does :roll:

No if they brought in laws to make sure only people deemed fit and proper like we have here, the gun problem would not vanish over night BUT maybe your Grandkids would be a little safer down the track;-)

If all you know is what the media tells you then it's no wonder you don't know anything.

There is a very tiny percentage of gun violence committed by someone without a lengthy criminal record or that isn't already on a .gov watch list somewhere. The rest is committed by big city thugs or drug related crime syndicates. Look up where the crime is and you'll find a left leaning .gov handing out $ like candy to the population that keeps them in power every election.

I'm not saying hard right leaning areas are devoid of issues either but their violent crime numbers are miniscule by comparison.

The devil is indeed in the details if you pay attention.
 
Here's my proposal. I want it mandatory that before purchasing any type of firearms that person must also forego some type of classroom and hands on training as well as a mental health evaluation then given a license upon completion. This testing should be standardized nation wide. As it stands right now I can go to my local gun shop and purchase basically any firearm I'd like with only one ~5 minute phone call. Then I walk out with gun in hand and no actual proof of knowing how to handle it. Yes I've passed hunters education as well as doing my best to educate myself on all aspects but not everyone does that.


I'm all for some basic firearms training being part of the purchase of a firearm.

As for the "mental health" background and license nonsense.

Way to easy to be manipulated by those in power to label and deny rights.

Rights can not be licensed by government. Our rights are inalienable.
 
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I'm all for some basic firearms training being part of the purchase of a firearm.

As for the "mental health" background and license nonsense.

Way to easy to be manipulated my those in power to label and deny rights.

Rights can not be licensed by government. Our rights are inalienable.

Training is good.

Mental health background is fine the way it is. If you're mentally deficient, been involuntarily committed to an institution, or have a history of suicidal/homicidal tendencies, you don't get a gun.

If you start actively looking for crazy people, you'll find more than you know what to do with.
 
Training is good.

Mental health background is fine the way it is. If you're mentally deficient, been involuntarily committed to an institution, or have a history of suicidal/homicidal tendencies, you don't get a gun.

If you start actively looking for crazy people, you'll find more than you know what to do with.

What if they are prone to anger, suffer from paranoia and delusional disorders... like dezfan. Should he have guns?
 
What if they are prone to anger, suffer from paranoia and DELISIONAL disorders... like dezfan. Should he have guns?

Ahhhh, how cute.

I see little Johhny has come out of his "safe space" to join the discussion once again.

Unfortunately Johnny, your pattern is predicable.

Make baseless accusations, deny the true, make it personal when you can't debate the facts, and attack the messenger.

Right out of the Alinsky handbook.

Sal would be so proud.

Now run along while the adults finish their discussion.
 
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