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- Thread starter rugerboy
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So what makes the Christians better than the Muslims? The fact that they haven't been sufficiently provoked?
You say you know not all Christians are Americans, yet when you say you hear about the Christians in the war, they are American. Which is it?
They do use it for propoganda, but we don't see it. God forbid (no pun intended) that the Christians aren't the good guys.
lwb Sami
Quarry Creeper
You people are funny, I don't believe in religion just because of topics like this one, I have one thing to say and that's if there is god or reeligion
If your god is real than he is to big for just one religion, Think about fellows, rather you believe or not, do you really think your god is up there seperating the world like you all have done here, It's really is sad, If i were your god and heard a argument like this I would poop on all of you, after I drank a 12 pack a Guiness the night before.
My father is a Christian preacher and he constantly reminds me that his christain religion is so great and the rest of the world is fawked up, if you ask me he's the one that's fawked up because he can't even be open minded, he's a preacher and preaches this kind of hate every weekend, my religion is right and yours is wrong, BULLSHIT, I tell him this all the time, he is a hatemonger, I don't care what you are, I don't even care if you have 3 legs and horn sticking out your ass, if your a good person that treats people well and work for a living then your alright in my book"thumbsup"
Once again,
Your God is to BIG for just one Religion, Get over it.
If your god is real than he is to big for just one religion, Think about fellows, rather you believe or not, do you really think your god is up there seperating the world like you all have done here, It's really is sad, If i were your god and heard a argument like this I would poop on all of you, after I drank a 12 pack a Guiness the night before.
My father is a Christian preacher and he constantly reminds me that his christain religion is so great and the rest of the world is fawked up, if you ask me he's the one that's fawked up because he can't even be open minded, he's a preacher and preaches this kind of hate every weekend, my religion is right and yours is wrong, BULLSHIT, I tell him this all the time, he is a hatemonger, I don't care what you are, I don't even care if you have 3 legs and horn sticking out your ass, if your a good person that treats people well and work for a living then your alright in my book"thumbsup"
Once again,
Your God is to BIG for just one Religion, Get over it.
Yup. Not that I'm a believer...but yeah.
rock hard
dnf
hog wash
you show me the news propaganda here in the u.s.[a.p.]
or from the b.b.c.
to support your claims.
rock hard
dnf
everyone has there opinion.
sorry to hear yours .
I think we all are fighting over the same creatore,just as he wishes.
I dont understand people who think god is all careing and forgiving and loving.
what you see as these things isnt how god see's them.
is it loving/forgiving to destroy all the world with water?
women children animals.
or to kill the first born of egypt? thats a real peacfull god let me tell ya?
no he craves suffering and violence.
thats when people really need him the most.
I will tell you this.
GOD DWELLS HEAVIER ON A FIELD OF BATTLE THAN ANY CHURCH
he asked abraham to kill his son,and yet people say he is a god of love.
he made the jews from egypt walk tha sands of the desert till all who
worshiped false idols befor him died. befor the could see the promise land.
yet you still see him as all forgiving.
I think that his idea of forgivness and love is probably just a little different than ours.
lwb Sami
Quarry Creeper
Whatever dude, you can have that god. But that's pretty good , I 'll let my father know I now understand his god likes suffering and war, kinda makes since because I think that's what you ( including my father ) likes. Might wanna look for a GOD that excepts all no matter what they believe, or eat, or how they look, or the beer they choose, or the RC Crawler they use:mrgreen:, All I'm saying is as long as we have people looking for differences, we will never find what makes us all equal, but thanks for keeping us Seperated ( i love 311 )"thumbsup". What ever happen to what goes around comes around and treat others as you wish to be treated, I fell these values are way more important then ones religion. Thanks for letting me get in on this, been fun, GOD BLESS
rock hard
dnf
Whatever dude, you can have that god. But that's pretty good , I 'll let my father know I now understand his god likes suffering and war, kinda makes since because I think that's what you ( including my father ) likes. Might wanna look for a GOD that excepts all no matter what they believe, or eat, or how they look, or the beer they choose, or the RC Crawler they use:mrgreen:, All I'm saying is as long as we have people looking for differences, we will never find what makes us all equal, but thanks for keeping us Seperated ( i love 311 )"thumbsup". What ever happen to what goes around comes around and treat others as you wish to be treated, I fell these values are way more important then ones religion. Thanks for letting me get in on this, been fun, GOD BLESS
hell I cant get rid of him.[GOD]
what is simply is.
you will see things your way,I will see them my way.
thank god we live in a counrty were we are allowed to believe what we want.
but people talk about christians being hatefull,and yet they themselfs come of as hatefull, just towards the christians????
but this thread has gotten way of topic.
its all good though
peace out on this one"thumbsup"
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bring this all back to the original post.
the main problem w/ the 1st post is that it makes extreme generalities. and is basically a call to arms against an entire faith.
saying that it is a slap in the face to US soldiers to use a stamp w/ islamic symbols if just plain ignorant
do you even know what Eid ul-Fitr or Eid al-Adha is?
Eid ul-Fitr is basically marks the end of Ramedan. Ramedan is basically a 30 day period attonment and holy fasting. Eid ul-Fitr in short says " you can eat now."
heck if i had to fast for a week id more than gladly hold a celebration for my first meal
as for Eid al -Adha (festival of sacrifice) it honors Ibrahim's obedience to his god's will to offer his son as a sacrifice.
does the story sound familiar?
if you havent noticed it yet Ibrahim is the Islamic form of Abraham.
if you read the Qur'an side by side w/ the Christian bible you will undoubtedly find and extremly large amount of parallels.
Eid al-Adha is seen as a time of thanksgiving and a time to spend w/ family.
now id understand if those holidays were to mark a time of year to celebrate the killing of innocent people, I in no doubt would boycott the stamps, and gladly pass around the original post.
but
Eid ul-Fitr lasts for 3 days and Eid al-Ahda last for 4 if i remember correctly. i dont know about you but 7 days of feasting and relaxing w/ family and friends sounds like somthing i'd enjoy and actually have enjoyed in the past.
note i'm not muslim (grew up Seventh Day Adventist, but now concider myself somewhat of a Humanist) , but my family was invited to these celebrations in the past by a tenant of property my family owns back east.
and you ask for examples of propaganda in news inthe US? ummm... turn on the tv. you can't really be thinking that all the news outlets are telling you 100% of the truth are you? each and every news outlet has their own adgenda.
the main problem w/ the 1st post is that it makes extreme generalities. and is basically a call to arms against an entire faith.
saying that it is a slap in the face to US soldiers to use a stamp w/ islamic symbols if just plain ignorant
do you even know what Eid ul-Fitr or Eid al-Adha is?
Eid ul-Fitr is basically marks the end of Ramedan. Ramedan is basically a 30 day period attonment and holy fasting. Eid ul-Fitr in short says " you can eat now."
heck if i had to fast for a week id more than gladly hold a celebration for my first meal
as for Eid al -Adha (festival of sacrifice) it honors Ibrahim's obedience to his god's will to offer his son as a sacrifice.
does the story sound familiar?
if you havent noticed it yet Ibrahim is the Islamic form of Abraham.
if you read the Qur'an side by side w/ the Christian bible you will undoubtedly find and extremly large amount of parallels.
Eid al-Adha is seen as a time of thanksgiving and a time to spend w/ family.
now id understand if those holidays were to mark a time of year to celebrate the killing of innocent people, I in no doubt would boycott the stamps, and gladly pass around the original post.
but
Eid ul-Fitr lasts for 3 days and Eid al-Ahda last for 4 if i remember correctly. i dont know about you but 7 days of feasting and relaxing w/ family and friends sounds like somthing i'd enjoy and actually have enjoyed in the past.
note i'm not muslim (grew up Seventh Day Adventist, but now concider myself somewhat of a Humanist) , but my family was invited to these celebrations in the past by a tenant of property my family owns back east.
and you ask for examples of propaganda in news inthe US? ummm... turn on the tv. you can't really be thinking that all the news outlets are telling you 100% of the truth are you? each and every news outlet has their own adgenda.
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lwb Sami
Quarry Creeper
Oh, you can get rid of me, Just do like most christians and outcast me because I don't belive in your silly religion where hate and war are preached. You could probably talk Bush and Cheney into bombing my house and starting a war right here in lil ol Colorado, You know because Christians are always right and the rest of the world is a bunch of Dumbasses, yeah right, don't worry you'll never get rid of me"thumbsup"
microgoat
I wanna be Dave
The problem with Muslims is they don't eat bacon. If you deprive yourself of the porky essence of life it's gonna mess with your head.
cartronicshn
I wanna be Dave
Hmmm...Bacon!
scaryclownguy
Quarry Creeper
All hail the almighty Bacon
Surely you arent' so blind that you'd think the good ol' US of A tells 100% truth 100% of the time, are you?
This is for starters...I'll post more when I get home.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_in_the_United_States
amazingly, so do I. I'm a fan of chocolate myself....
engineerjoe
Rock Crawler
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!
the bible outlines that suicide is a sin: 1 Corintians 3:17
(but so does the Qur'an :|)
All religious extremism is simply scriptures that have been taken out of context and used to brainwash followers. Every preacher/minister I've ever heard uses scriptures out of context to make a point in their sunday sermon.
There are arguments that can be used to make every religion sound crazy. It's just up to you to find a crazy belief system that suits your crazy personality. Just try to be respectful and don't force your religion on anyone, no matter how batshit crazy it is.
It's not my job to judge others and their beliefs. That's what their God's are for.
"thumbsup"
rock hard
dnf
alright uou called me back out.
point taken on the muslims stamp,
my problem is people are ok with this yet would have a problem with other things. [next] you said you would be ok with it. but most wouldnt.
I fly my flag and I'm a racist.
others fly theirs and they are??? whatever doesnt matter.
but pick on a muslim and whatch out.
just pisses me off.
but on propaganda.
we all know that SPIN is put on things
spin=propaganda
there is less propaganda here than other countries.
cuz we have freedom of press to speak out against false claims by the gov.
and in this country where each has free speach.
those in opposition of ANYTHING are not silenced.
larg # of stories are saying that we killed a family not a militant group.
there are rep. on the ground. they have satalite phones.
the stoies are reported.
sorry but the big ol U.S.A. isnt the evil impire just cuz
we are predominatly christian.
we are the greatest country in the world.
no where else is so much individual freedom possible.
but the taxes suck
I'm out of this one.
you wont change my way of thinking,
you are strong in yours,
why continue?
point taken on the muslims stamp,
my problem is people are ok with this yet would have a problem with other things. [next] you said you would be ok with it. but most wouldnt.
I fly my flag and I'm a racist.
others fly theirs and they are??? whatever doesnt matter.
but pick on a muslim and whatch out.
just pisses me off.
but on propaganda.
we all know that SPIN is put on things
spin=propaganda
there is less propaganda here than other countries.
cuz we have freedom of press to speak out against false claims by the gov.
and in this country where each has free speach.
those in opposition of ANYTHING are not silenced.
larg # of stories are saying that we killed a family not a militant group.
there are rep. on the ground. they have satalite phones.
the stoies are reported.
sorry but the big ol U.S.A. isnt the evil impire just cuz
we are predominatly christian.
we are the greatest country in the world.
no where else is so much individual freedom possible.
but the taxes suck
I'm out of this one.
you wont change my way of thinking,
you are strong in yours,
why continue?
bigflex
I wanna be Dave
The way I se it the good guys are the ones that only fight when they are provoaked. We as well as the other countries that are involved in this war are the ones being attacked first. They " terrorists " whole all happen to be Muslim are the ones that are attacking us first. How quickly we forget about 9/11 and all the other bombings that have been happening. They were all done by Muslims. Is it right to hate all of them just because of there faith? No but I do understand whay so many people don't like them . The terrorists that are doing these attacks are claiming them as holy acts. How else are we to take them. The say it themselves that it is about religion. I feal that some of you are turning a blind eye to what is in the making here. The Muslim population is growing every day. Within the next 10 years they will be the largest religion and will eventually take over. For those of you that don't care about religion think of it this way. If the Muslims do take over the world as the most powerful religion they will also start to take over the world politically as well. Those that have the most power rule. That being said those whole rule can make the rules reflect what they want them to. That also being said if the muslims do take over our country and its laws will begin to reflect there beliefs and our rights will start to disapear. You can deni this all you want but it won't change anything. Ask the people from Erope how things are going for them. If you want to ignore the facts go ahead, but I don;t want to here any bitching when the changes start to happen. Ok I am done. continue on.
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Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!
:ror:
I would have a problem with a Muslim stamp if it said "Death to the infidels!". But as we've established, it doesn't even come close to that, so its fine. This is America, made up of many cultures and beliefs, and we tend to celebrate them all in one way or another. Unless one gets uppity we tend to at least try to play nice whether we want to or not.
Flying a flag doesn't make anyone a racist, unless you fly it because you are racist. We get touchy when Muslims are the topic because its like playing with fire. If radical Islam was some obscure group with no power and no real following, nobody would really care what was said. But they do on both counts, so if we are to have any kind of peace or reconciliation with them we need to be a bit more careful with our actions.
I will agree that we do have a bit less spin on our news (in a way) than other less advanced cultures because today we have more access to that news through different channels. However, there is still the Smith-Mundt act, which states that information intended for foreign audiences shall not be accessable to the domestic public...i.e. the American citizen. Kinda makes you wonder why we can't know what they're telling them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith-Mundt_Act
Our news broadcasts, while they may not outright lie to us, are perfectly capable of leaving out information so that they can shine the light whereever they want. But lies are still possible.
There was one incident that really lit the fire for the Veitnam war, and that was the Tonkin Gulf. It was reported that the USS Maddox and USS Turner Joy had been attacked by the Veitnamese, allowing Pres Johnson to legitamatly open a great big can of whoop-ass. We all know what went down from there, right? Only problem is, that report was false. There was no attack, and it wasn't untill 2005 that the truth was revealed to the public, even though Washington knew it was within hours of the initial report. In fact, I know (quite well) of a witness to the Maddox coming into port in near perfect condition after it was supposedly heavily damaged from the alleged attack.
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq120-1.htm
http://vi.uh.edu/pages/buzzmat/htdtistonkin.html
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/press20051201.htm
The US isn't an evil empire, but alot of people see it that way. However, that feeling is usually reserved for our country's government, to a much lesser degree its military, but or the most part not its people. That is not so shocking or unusual, as you can find the same opinions within our borders.
Just so we're clear, I'm not trying to change your way of thinking. I have no ill will towards you for your opinions. There isn't a single word I have typed in this thread out of anger or disgust except maybe my initial reply to the original post. I felt I had the opportunity to enlighten a few people and if I succeeded, then yay me. If not, oh well, I tried. :mrgreen:
But its not fair to lump all Muslims into the group of baddies, which is what is happening. If someone claiming to be Christian performs an act of terrorism do we label all Christians as terrorist? No, because we know better.
Are there Muslims running amuck creating havok? Yes, but they are Extremist Muslims.
I highly doubt that Islam will rule the US as we stand today. After we've nuked the shit out of each other, maybe.
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